The milestone highlights how DeepSeek has left a deep impression on Silicon Valley, upending widely held views about U.S. primacy in AI and the effectiveness of Washington’s export controls targeting China’s advanced chip and AI capabilities.
The milestone highlights how DeepSeek has left a deep impression on Silicon Valley, upending widely held views about U.S. primacy in AI and the effectiveness of Washington’s export controls targeting China’s advanced chip and AI capabilities.
It worked well against Russia and the Soviet Union, but it’s been my claim for years now, that this won’t work against China anymore. Because China is way more advanced now than the Soviet Union ever was by comparison for the time. And all it does is delay China while they build their own competing supply industries. And the end result will be that China will just dominate the backbone industries too.
The difference is in raw power, China has 10 times the people Russia has, and an economy that in real value more than matches USA now. In short China has all the advantages for long term developments. Except for not being ahead on chip manufacturing already.
China is already competing at top level in almost all key industries, and has absolutely unparalleled manufacturing capacity. but also technologically they are in the top of EV, Batteries, solar panels, and 44 other technology areas.
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2023/mar/02/china-leading-us-in-technology-race-in-all-but-a-few-fields-thinktank-finds
Trying to hold back China is simply not a viable option anymore.
It’s not just people, it’s also that China invests heavily in the building blocks of effective industries. They’re serious about education and healthcare as public services, they invest heavily in transit. You can’t expect life to bloom in a desert, but the US keeps acting like stripping away everything necessary for industries to prosper will somehow make them prosper harder.
Requisite disclaimer; The CCP are an appalling autocracy with a litany of crimes against humanity to their name. Just because they do some things well doesn’t make them worthy of admiration. Yes, I’m looking at you, .ml
sadly “autocracy with litany of crimes against humanity” is rapidly approaching background noise when comparing nations
At least they’re doing some things right
Maybe not in a vacuum, but compared to pretty much any other government in the world right now, they are still very much worthy of admiration lol
How much shoe polish do you go through monthly keeping a sheen on those oversized shoes?
There are plenty of national governments not engaged in genocide or imperialism. There are tons of governments better than China.
I think you can effectively compete with China but you would need a giant coalition of democratic countries that would move fast and stay focused.
With oligarchs completely taking over the US, this is unlikely to happen. But that’s hardly the sole roadblock to such a coalition.
Exactly, like EU and USA working together, but then Americans go ahead and elect Trump!?
As it’s going we were already losing, when China was behind. There is no way we can beat them when they are ahead, unless we dramatically up our game.
I’ve been cursing our (Denmark) government for cutting education and reducing taxes for 20 years. Instead of increasing education, and focus and invest in the sectors we are good at.
That’s what made us rich in the past, it’s like they think we don’t need to invest anymore, because we are economically doing fine cutting taxes and undermining the quality society we built in the past.
It could still happen, it’s just that oligarchs will be the only ones to profit and it might require even more coercion than usual.
I had heard that DeepSeek only took less than a hundredth of the power to train it, so it wasn’t them getting their hands on a bunch of new chips or anything.
I assume they don’t care about the ownership of training data. So they can just train these things on all the pirated data they can get ahold of. Whereas US companies might have a slightly harder time with that.
US companies don’t care about ownership of data.
lol did you miss the numerous stories of copyrighted materials and watermarks being spit out by early generative AI?
Good. Pirate it all if it makes the product FOSS and more efficient.
I dont fundamentally disagree with you, but it should be pointed out that the USSR and its proxies in the Warsaw pact had about 0.4 billion people in 1980 to the PRC’s 1 billion. So it wasnt anywhere near 10x the size. The important difference IMO is that china has opened up economically, whereas the USSR stayed closed, and are acting out Lenin’s maxim of “the capitalists will sell us the rope to hang them”.
I clearly write: “China has 10 times the people Russia has,”
So why are you arguing a strawman?
Because you used Russia and USSR interchangeably in your argument
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You first say what worked again Russia and the USSR (which is a bit weird, like writing new york and the USA) wont work against China, then say its because China has 10 times the pop of Russia.
No I did not, I very consciously made some comparisons to both, and some separately because USA used this tactic successfully against both Russia and the Soviet Union.
Soviet Union and Russia are NOT the same. But the tactic worked for half a century against them. And can still work against Russia, except if China goes all in on supporting Russia.