Trump very obviously played the left with the help of Netanyahu while throwing the democrats under the bus, and the left ate it up. While the right unified, the left splintered into micro groups all hating on each other for having differing opinions within the left. I’m hearing Americans now saying “well it’s the Dems fault…” great, you sure showed them huh?
Those people did the equivalent of chopping off their own foot, but calling it a win cause they got blood on the other guy.
Yup. I hope the “Biden is committing genocide” and “Dems didn’t solve every problem known to man” are happy with their new president they helped elect.
Are you seriously disagreeing with the assessment of Biden committing (or being complicit in, potato potatoh) genocide? Or is it only talking about it that you have a problem with? Or making the assessment that it makes a politician unsuitable to hold office? In my not-completely-fucked-in-the-head reality, that’s pretty much the sane take.
I’m being an adult that accepts the reality I live in.
In that reality there is basically no scenario where America gives up its most important long-term ally in the Middle East over a never-ending religious conflict they’re having with someone else.
So, being that’s the reality we live in, I can determine that the situation is INFINITELY better off in the hands of one party than the other. So I voted for that party to mitigate the damage that we’re now going to see due to a bunch of idiots that didn’t want to accept the reality they lived in and ended up making the very thing they cared about worse.
I also voted for that party because I’m not a moron single issue voter and I know there’s a lot else at stake right here at home.
I asked what specifically you had an issue with, and gave three possibilities. Which one are you saying no to? This screams “evasion” that you just say “no” and then start in with a bunch of vague platitudes. You won’t even pin down what you’re saying. Speak up.
So, being that’s the reality we live in, I can determine that the situation is INFINITELY better off in the hands of one party than the other.
Genocide is not infinitely better than genocide. It is actually delusional to think that a political system comprised of two parties which have a near-total consensus on committing genocide are operating independently. You can frame this as a “tough choice adults have to make” as much as you want, but the fact that you have no coherent explanation about why this is happening shows you’re just playing games instead of facing reality.
I also voted for that party because I’m not a moron single issue voter and I know there’s a lot else at stake right here at home.
Again - genocide is not a “single issue”. It shows that on the spectrum of morality, a politician is at absolute zero. Pure evil. It negates every other stance they supposedly have, because it proves that they value absolutely nothing except their own benefit. If you can sacrifice millions of humans, you are an absolute devil. If you vote for someone like that, no much how much anguish you supposedly subject yourself to while you’re doing it, you’re a fool and a useful idiot at best, and as evil as the politician at worst. And back to the point of “the parties are not actually independent”, this speaks only to you failing to understand that voting for either of these parties sacrifices everything that’s at stake. It is the public shooting itself in the foot and thinking they’re being strategic.
I asked what specifically you had an issue with, and gave three possibilities. Which one are you saying no to?
I said “no” because I mean NO to all three. I’m not typing it 3 times for you. You are not important enough to me to say no to each of your questions. You get one no, because I utterly disagree with you, in a sweeping manner.
Genocide is not infinitely better than genocide.
Sure it is, when the alternative is a WORSE genocide. Are you so simple that you can’t grasp that death and lots more death are different things with different degrees of severity? You keep saying hefty words like “evasion” and “delusional”, but you’re an individual that can’t tell the difference between a person that expresses their disapproval directly to the person committing a horrific act and a person that says “full steam ahead” to that person. So I’m going to use a hefty word on you. Ignorant.
Again - genocide is not a “single issue”.
Yes, it actually, literally is.
It shows that on the spectrum of morality, a politician is at absolute zero.
Yes. The world is black and white. There are no shades of grey. To simpletons.
If war crimes, or what you perceive to be war crimes, remove a candidate from contention for you, then you’d never vote for another president, ever. Very mature stance you’ve taken there.
If you vote for someone like that, no much how much anguish you supposedly subject yourself to while you’re doing it, you’re a fool and a useful idiot at best
Or you’re simply an adult trying to make sure the significantly worse option doesn’t become reality.
But you, you are simply someone sitting on the fence, dishing out morality from what you believe is your high horse.
Because your alternative to voting for 2 “genociders” is to either not vote or vote 3rd party, which are unquestionably stupid things to do. Why? Because not voting is profoundly stupid. And voting for a 3rd party that CANNOT win, is also profoundly stupid. The 3rd party candidate with the most votes only got half of a single percentage of the total votes. A 3rd party CAN NOT WIN.
So excuse me if I’m tired of listening to someone pretending they’re a moral authority while contributing absolutely nothing to the situation, at all.
Trump also confirmed he had instructed the military to resume shipments of 2,000-pound bombs to Israel, which had been paused over concerns about civilian casualties.
Trump also confirmed he had instructed the military to resume shipments of 2,000-pound bombs to Israel, which had been paused over concerns about civilian casualties.
Biden sent 14,000 of those bombs as of July last year. Enough to kill roughly a million people in a concentrated enough area. Some critical context you missed in your framing of the situation.
West Bank ethnic cleansing
Has been ongoing at this increased pace for about a year. Are you just hearing about it now?
You guys truly struggle with this. Both of them are complicit in the genocide. Stop trying to make one of them look good just because you identify more with him.
And no, I do not agree with Maalus’s take just because I’m under his comment arguing with you.
First of all, just because he did something good doesn’t make Trump “my hero”. But feel free to say that, that’ll 100% work to convince people. Second of all - all I know is the situation from my friends there. And they are returning to their old workplace. They are talking about rebuilding. Right now they got a reprieve, with a ceasefire agreement from October, that was refused then, with the US government saying “it’s Hamas who refused it” which was obvious bullshit. They are also getting medical devices in. So yeah, I’ll believe the people who are actually there, over a random dude on lemmy, thanks.
So yeah, I’ll believe the people who are actually there, over a random dude on lemmy, thanks.
You actually think the legal dept. over at NBC and CBS would allow them to publish quotes from the POTUS that weren’t true? Those are actual quotes of what Trump said. But, yeah, believe what you feel like believing.
So, I’mna go ahead and let you get to reading- hopefully you can get caught up to currently, and I’ll ask that once you arrive at now, you do your best to keep up with the rest of the class. Because you living in the past seems like a huge inconvenience- and not just for all of us…
Kewl funny quirky meme! Shame it lacks any substance and literally contradicts what I’m hearing from my friends. But by all means, close your eyes, stick fingers in your ears and go “lalalalalalala can’t hear you lalalallalala” like the grownup you are.
![An independent voter explains why they chose a moronic, oligarcho-fascist demagogue over Joe Biden (c. November 2020) [Day 58]](https://lemmy.world/pictrs/image/a38a8c8d-3e86-4981-a58d-48c94062495e.png){kind=link}
Trump very obviously played the left with the help of Netanyahu while throwing the democrats under the bus, and the left ate it up. While the right unified, the left splintered into micro groups all hating on each other for having differing opinions within the left. I’m hearing Americans now saying “well it’s the Dems fault…” great, you sure showed them huh?
Those people did the equivalent of chopping off their own foot, but calling it a win cause they got blood on the other guy.
Yup. I hope the “Biden is committing genocide” and “Dems didn’t solve every problem known to man” are happy with their new president they helped elect.
Are you seriously disagreeing with the assessment of Biden committing (or being complicit in, potato potatoh) genocide? Or is it only talking about it that you have a problem with? Or making the assessment that it makes a politician unsuitable to hold office? In my not-completely-fucked-in-the-head reality, that’s pretty much the sane take.
No.
I’m being an adult that accepts the reality I live in.
In that reality there is basically no scenario where America gives up its most important long-term ally in the Middle East over a never-ending religious conflict they’re having with someone else.
So, being that’s the reality we live in, I can determine that the situation is INFINITELY better off in the hands of one party than the other. So I voted for that party to mitigate the damage that we’re now going to see due to a bunch of idiots that didn’t want to accept the reality they lived in and ended up making the very thing they cared about worse.
I also voted for that party because I’m not a moron single issue voter and I know there’s a lot else at stake right here at home.
I asked what specifically you had an issue with, and gave three possibilities. Which one are you saying no to? This screams “evasion” that you just say “no” and then start in with a bunch of vague platitudes. You won’t even pin down what you’re saying. Speak up.
Genocide is not infinitely better than genocide. It is actually delusional to think that a political system comprised of two parties which have a near-total consensus on committing genocide are operating independently. You can frame this as a “tough choice adults have to make” as much as you want, but the fact that you have no coherent explanation about why this is happening shows you’re just playing games instead of facing reality.
Again - genocide is not a “single issue”. It shows that on the spectrum of morality, a politician is at absolute zero. Pure evil. It negates every other stance they supposedly have, because it proves that they value absolutely nothing except their own benefit. If you can sacrifice millions of humans, you are an absolute devil. If you vote for someone like that, no much how much anguish you supposedly subject yourself to while you’re doing it, you’re a fool and a useful idiot at best, and as evil as the politician at worst. And back to the point of “the parties are not actually independent”, this speaks only to you failing to understand that voting for either of these parties sacrifices everything that’s at stake. It is the public shooting itself in the foot and thinking they’re being strategic.
I said “no” because I mean NO to all three. I’m not typing it 3 times for you. You are not important enough to me to say no to each of your questions. You get one no, because I utterly disagree with you, in a sweeping manner.
Sure it is, when the alternative is a WORSE genocide. Are you so simple that you can’t grasp that death and lots more death are different things with different degrees of severity? You keep saying hefty words like “evasion” and “delusional”, but you’re an individual that can’t tell the difference between a person that expresses their disapproval directly to the person committing a horrific act and a person that says “full steam ahead” to that person. So I’m going to use a hefty word on you. Ignorant.
Yes, it actually, literally is.
Yes. The world is black and white. There are no shades of grey. To simpletons.
If war crimes, or what you perceive to be war crimes, remove a candidate from contention for you, then you’d never vote for another president, ever. Very mature stance you’ve taken there.
Or you’re simply an adult trying to make sure the significantly worse option doesn’t become reality.
But you, you are simply someone sitting on the fence, dishing out morality from what you believe is your high horse.
Because your alternative to voting for 2 “genociders” is to either not vote or vote 3rd party, which are unquestionably stupid things to do. Why? Because not voting is profoundly stupid. And voting for a 3rd party that CANNOT win, is also profoundly stupid. The 3rd party candidate with the most votes only got half of a single percentage of the total votes. A 3rd party CAN NOT WIN.
So excuse me if I’m tired of listening to someone pretending they’re a moral authority while contributing absolutely nothing to the situation, at all.
So far this new president helped stop the genocide that Biden was supporting.
Looks like your hero turned out to be the villain.
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Biden sent 14,000 of those bombs as of July last year. Enough to kill roughly a million people in a concentrated enough area. Some critical context you missed in your framing of the situation.
Has been ongoing at this increased pace for about a year. Are you just hearing about it now?
You guys truly struggle with this. Both of them are complicit in the genocide. Stop trying to make one of them look good just because you identify more with him.
And no, I do not agree with Maalus’s take just because I’m under his comment arguing with you.
First of all, just because he did something good doesn’t make Trump “my hero”. But feel free to say that, that’ll 100% work to convince people. Second of all - all I know is the situation from my friends there. And they are returning to their old workplace. They are talking about rebuilding. Right now they got a reprieve, with a ceasefire agreement from October, that was refused then, with the US government saying “it’s Hamas who refused it” which was obvious bullshit. They are also getting medical devices in. So yeah, I’ll believe the people who are actually there, over a random dude on lemmy, thanks.
You’re the random dude on lemmy who claims to “know people” vs the random dude on lemmy who cites his sources.
Israel and Netanyahu preferred Trump by a wide margin over Kalama, so unless you’re a Zionist I wouldn’t recommend celebrating yet.
You actually think the legal dept. over at NBC and CBS would allow them to publish quotes from the POTUS that weren’t true? Those are actual quotes of what Trump said. But, yeah, believe what you feel like believing.
He didn’t. You’re just ignorant.
Boy are you woefully misrepresenting reality. If cognitive dissonance were a solid, yours would have its own moons.
So it was Biden who got the ceasefire?
Ahhh. I get it. You live in a month ago. Here, let me at least catch you up to somewhat recently:
So trump is going to help Israel turn Palestine into a glass crater……
And then there’s this disaster of a plan
And lastly, let’s not forget that his take on the subject is to “clean out the whole thing”….
So, I’mna go ahead and let you get to reading- hopefully you can get caught up to currently, and I’ll ask that once you arrive at now, you do your best to keep up with the rest of the class. Because you living in the past seems like a huge inconvenience- and not just for all of us…
What ceasefire? The one that was violated immediately?
I’ll take “Utterly Moronic Comments Stated Unironically” for $500, Alex.
Kewl funny quirky meme! Shame it lacks any substance and literally contradicts what I’m hearing from my friends. But by all means, close your eyes, stick fingers in your ears and go “lalalalalalala can’t hear you lalalallalala” like the grownup you are.
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