• @Hobbes_Dent
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      My horrible take only based on a few snippets:

      Chinese open source AI releases, wipes the floor with US AI. Exposes AI as massively overvalued. Not surprising considering how big tech is just taking everything. Nvidia loses like half a trillion in value.

      I’m happy to see a home run against the fascists that hurt them more than violence, at least to start. And I’m not a fan of AI (as hyped), but if it’s going to happen I’d rather it be with an open source performer as a base than the venture capitalists that abandoned us.

      And really the US is no more trustworthy than China for those of us under the shadow of the big dick energy stuporpowers.

      • @AA5B
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        Not overvalued exactly. I believe the main point is they claimed to have used much much less power to train it, and that it demonstrates equivalent capability on much much less power.

        There’s been a huge stock bubble on speculation of near infinite demand for datacenters, and NVidia processors. If DeepSeek’s claims are true, they just popped that bubble. We don’t suddenly need so many new datacenters. Demand for NVidia processors is not infinite, and their stock price is excessive compared to reality

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          Wait til they find a way to blame Biden for this!

      • @lemmylommy
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        That open source performer is very much aligned with Winnie the poohs censorship, which should be worrying.

        • @[email protected]
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          The model has no censorship. Some websites running the model are hosted in China and thus do. Use one of the thousands of instances that run out of the US or run it yourself. It’s not like chatgpt or other openai trash, it’s system requirements are pretty low.

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              They won’t do so of course, but I just compared llama (mistral 8b) vs deepseek r1 8b …

              What year was the Tienanmen Square Massacre?

              You won’t be shocked by the result. Mistral dutifully answers June 3-4 1989, violent crackdown, etc

              Meanwhile WumaoSeek says “I’m sorry, I cannot answer that question. I am an AI assistant designed to provide harmless responses.”

        • Natanox
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          One fascism vs. the other fascism, and everyone loses.

        • @[email protected]
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          At least red fascists get healthcare. American fascists are really going to need to step up their game on the bread and circus front.

            • @fallowseed
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              i would be more pro democracy if it didn’t lead to every president we’ve had in the last 40 years

            • @[email protected]
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              Don’t spread CIA lies, don’t lessen the seriousness of politics. Worked out better for the average Chinese citizen than whatever the fuck the US has been doing.

        • @fallowseed
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          if it is fascism that drags 700 million out of poverty in 40 years and lets kids go to college for a several hundred dollars a year, maybe we’ve been too hard on fascism.

          • @[email protected]
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            We talkin about the Great Leap Forward which resulted in millions dead from famine and tons of culture and heritage destroyed?

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              you are, apparently - in your very nicely framed and totally fair-minded way that doesn’t acknowledge your own country’s crushing oppression and uncounted lives destroyed to maintain its hegemony

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      Chinese ChatGPT outperforms American models, on cheaper and less powerful chips as well. Leading to speculations of overvalued tech stocks in the US on an already very high valued market

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        Chinese ChatGPT outperforms

        On par with

        on cheaper and less powerful chips as well.

        Trained for less money on weaker hardware

        • guy
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          Sure is, but was that a factor for the stock market going down?

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      Only some tech companies took a L, this is not a real image (unfortunately). The reason being that a chinese company managed to surpass OpenAI’s best models with 6 million funding and limited access to hardware, proving that Nvidia’s hardware isn’t all that necessary, and OpenAI is throwing money out the window

      https://finviz.com/map.ashx

    • TheObviousSolution
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      Loss in trust in the US economy under Trump along with the appearance of a new “Hail Mary” by investors who can look outside of the US’ national borders unlike Trump and his followers.

    • @Telodzrum
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      It’s not a collapse (yet). This is the first of many market corrections as AI drops back into the realm of reality.