You sound very idealistic, and I appreciate that. We all have to choose our values and where and how we apply them many times every day. We pick the hills we want to die on and one of mine is not “state-mandated paid training seminar.” I feel your frustration and hope that we can find more productive ways to encourage people to be less shitty to each other. You’re right - you shouldn’t have to pay with your time for what some other bad actor did, especially when you know that your values would never allow you to behave in the manner of that bad actor.
So yes I was being sarcastic but I didn’t mean it as an attack. While you may call it licking boots, I feel it is just learning to navigate the realities of our society. Thank you for taking the time to respond and make me consider this more.
Like a lot of things, the original idea was a pretty good one. But, the original idea wasn’t compatible with profit-seeking at all costs, or the mindsets and habits of a crew of remarkably dim members of the managerial class who had to put it all into practice. And so, the original idea got thrown in the bin, and replaced with a tradition of remarkably dim one-hour seminars which accomplish nothing at all beyond wasting an afternoon every now and then, and prejudicing people vaguely against the still-pretty-good original idea, which remains in the bin, still in its original packaging, unopened.
I am done playing some parasites games. I value my time now too much to have to hear some idiot talk down to me on behalf of the guy who sexually harasses women and minorities while refusing to promote me into executive role
Well, but if they keep giving you dumb seminars, then they won’t have to stop sexual harassing, racism-ing, or stealing everything for them and their golf-asshole friends. And at the end of the day, isn’t that what’s really important?
It’s a bummer you’re getting downvoted so heavily, there should be room for nuance here. I really don’t think the DEI seminars (in particular! Not talking DEI initiatives in general) have much of an impact, if anything they probably do more harm than good. Everyone that already agrees gets nothing but wasted time, and those that seriously disagree are not going to change from an effort like this, and how many are truly on the fence by now and just need things explained clearly and then they won’t be an asshole?
These seminars are literal HR checklists so the legal department can say they “have a robust DEI program, just look at all these trainings” - if they get sued. That’s it, it’s the most cynical empty “effort” ever.
Companies that actually give a shit are run by people who actually give a shit. In my experience, people who actually give a shit explicitly do not rely on impersonal shotgun blast seminars to try to create a safe healthy workplace. The seminars exist to grant plausible deniability to the terminally self-centered.
Yes and no. He’s getting downvoted for a lack of nuance. And a lot of comments about ‘parasites’ and other stuff.
DEI seminars can be weird for sure. it’s like someone said above, its a good idea but was turned into a tickbox, which, is what corporations do. That doesn’t mean get rid of it, that means improve it. That, in turn, means invest in it. That’s where the company usually gets off the bus. Because the company are usually a bunch of heteronormative white people who can’t see the value in it.
Sure depends on the job. When I’m behind on my tasks, paid salary, and am usually the most hardcore left person in the room? And when these seminars exist solely to grant plausible deniability to executives if they’re sued for discrimination? Keep the pizza and the disingenuous concern and let me do my job. The people teaching the seminars I’ve attended know fuck-all about the history of oppression in this country anyway, it’s all performative and we shouldn’t defend it as helpful.
Exempt salary is dogshit. I played that game for years. I was paid exactly, to the dollar, the amount you have to pay someone so they don’t make overtime. Nobody else was allowed to work overtime.
The worst I ever got abused that way was right after college - I worked for salary, but my company billed me out hourly, and they increased the rate substantially for emergency call outs, AKA for me going to work when I am not scheduled to and do not want to - and am not paid to.
There was one Saturday where my family and friends went to the beer festival without me, I went unexpectedly to work, the company made thousands off my Saturday, and I got a pat on the back. That was the day I started getting myself outta that situation, shit was unbelievable. Not a large company either, maybe ~100 employees, and it was a ~common practice in the industry (field service for industrial controls).
DEI trainings are like .0001% of what DEI professionals are trying to do. Many people in that industry don’t even believe it’s helpful. These DEI trainings are there because corporations like to check a box and pat themselves on the back.
My wife does this for a living. She works for herself running her own consulting firm, only works for clients willing to take it seriously and fires clients that simply want to pat themselves on the back. She looks at the entire institution, how it’s structured, policies and procedures, recruiting practices, employee treatment, pay equity, talks to dozens of people all over the institution. It’s a full audit of how a company works. Then she makes long term structural recommendations to improve the working environment for everyone, including you.
I don’t pretend to know even 5% of her job tbh. But usually when people talk about DEI, I find they have a gripe with something that’s only tangentially related to their field and usually the fault of the business, not really DEI.
DEI is just another corporate grift.
They don’t serve the worker. It is the state jobs to protect the worker and a union’s if there is one.
Some drone collecting paycheck from a corpo is the same thing as HR.
These parasites love talking big game but when push comes, they will always larp what daddy owner class tell them to.
I am still bitter I was forced to sit through a DEI seminar during my work day. Never again.
A whole seminar? And you even got paid? I feel for you.
I sense sarcasm… But this comment is bootlciker mentality in its prime
But either way, my time was disrespected and I will never attend anything like this again.
I get paid to work, nothing less, nothing more
When I don’t work, I spend my time with people who I care for.
So you clock out for bathroom breaks?
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At least you know what you are.
Proud of it.
They wouldn’t understand.jpeg
You sound very idealistic, and I appreciate that. We all have to choose our values and where and how we apply them many times every day. We pick the hills we want to die on and one of mine is not “state-mandated paid training seminar.” I feel your frustration and hope that we can find more productive ways to encourage people to be less shitty to each other. You’re right - you shouldn’t have to pay with your time for what some other bad actor did, especially when you know that your values would never allow you to behave in the manner of that bad actor.
So yes I was being sarcastic but I didn’t mean it as an attack. While you may call it licking boots, I feel it is just learning to navigate the realities of our society. Thank you for taking the time to respond and make me consider this more.
I am not idealistic, I am just tired, boss
Like a lot of things, the original idea was a pretty good one. But, the original idea wasn’t compatible with profit-seeking at all costs, or the mindsets and habits of a crew of remarkably dim members of the managerial class who had to put it all into practice. And so, the original idea got thrown in the bin, and replaced with a tradition of remarkably dim one-hour seminars which accomplish nothing at all beyond wasting an afternoon every now and then, and prejudicing people vaguely against the still-pretty-good original idea, which remains in the bin, still in its original packaging, unopened.
Boomers sexually harrased women
I do a sexual harassment training
Boomer does racist shit
I do anti racism training
Boomers only hired whites into exec rules
I do DEI training
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I am done playing some parasites games. I value my time now too much to have to hear some idiot talk down to me on behalf of the guy who sexually harasses women and minorities while refusing to promote me into executive role
Well, but if they keep giving you dumb seminars, then they won’t have to stop sexual harassing, racism-ing, or stealing everything for them and their golf-asshole friends. And at the end of the day, isn’t that what’s really important?
It’s a bummer you’re getting downvoted so heavily, there should be room for nuance here. I really don’t think the DEI seminars (in particular! Not talking DEI initiatives in general) have much of an impact, if anything they probably do more harm than good. Everyone that already agrees gets nothing but wasted time, and those that seriously disagree are not going to change from an effort like this, and how many are truly on the fence by now and just need things explained clearly and then they won’t be an asshole?
These seminars are literal HR checklists so the legal department can say they “have a robust DEI program, just look at all these trainings” - if they get sued. That’s it, it’s the most cynical empty “effort” ever.
Companies that actually give a shit are run by people who actually give a shit. In my experience, people who actually give a shit explicitly do not rely on impersonal shotgun blast seminars to try to create a safe healthy workplace. The seminars exist to grant plausible deniability to the terminally self-centered.
Edit: spelling
Yes and no. He’s getting downvoted for a lack of nuance. And a lot of comments about ‘parasites’ and other stuff.
DEI seminars can be weird for sure. it’s like someone said above, its a good idea but was turned into a tickbox, which, is what corporations do. That doesn’t mean get rid of it, that means improve it. That, in turn, means invest in it. That’s where the company usually gets off the bus. Because the company are usually a bunch of heteronormative white people who can’t see the value in it.
exactly
Pshh, getting a free 1-slice pizza lunch at work to go over, “don’t be racist” slides is a dream.
Sure depends on the job. When I’m behind on my tasks, paid salary, and am usually the most hardcore left person in the room? And when these seminars exist solely to grant plausible deniability to executives if they’re sued for discrimination? Keep the pizza and the disingenuous concern and let me do my job. The people teaching the seminars I’ve attended know fuck-all about the history of oppression in this country anyway, it’s all performative and we shouldn’t defend it as helpful.
Exempt salary is dogshit. I played that game for years. I was paid exactly, to the dollar, the amount you have to pay someone so they don’t make overtime. Nobody else was allowed to work overtime.
Guess who worked all the overtime, for free?
The worst I ever got abused that way was right after college - I worked for salary, but my company billed me out hourly, and they increased the rate substantially for emergency call outs, AKA for me going to work when I am not scheduled to and do not want to - and am not paid to.
There was one Saturday where my family and friends went to the beer festival without me, I went unexpectedly to work, the company made thousands off my Saturday, and I got a pat on the back. That was the day I started getting myself outta that situation, shit was unbelievable. Not a large company either, maybe ~100 employees, and it was a ~common practice in the industry (field service for industrial controls).
Some HR parasite somewhere
Lololololololololol, holy shit what a whiny bigot
🤡
DEI trainings are like .0001% of what DEI professionals are trying to do. Many people in that industry don’t even believe it’s helpful. These DEI trainings are there because corporations like to check a box and pat themselves on the back.
My wife does this for a living. She works for herself running her own consulting firm, only works for clients willing to take it seriously and fires clients that simply want to pat themselves on the back. She looks at the entire institution, how it’s structured, policies and procedures, recruiting practices, employee treatment, pay equity, talks to dozens of people all over the institution. It’s a full audit of how a company works. Then she makes long term structural recommendations to improve the working environment for everyone, including you.
I don’t pretend to know even 5% of her job tbh. But usually when people talk about DEI, I find they have a gripe with something that’s only tangentially related to their field and usually the fault of the business, not really DEI.
But yes everyone should unionize.