There is a difference between resorting to force to push down and cull the scum trying to topple the world and resorting to violence like they are, to butcher those they see as worthless, unfit, different.
So, given that the average fascist considers anyone who does not subscribe their narrow view of the world as worthless and disposeable and are known to be very expedite on devising cruel and brutal ways to dispose of those they dislike, it would be fair, on your understanding, that the fascists underwent the exact same treatment?
Stop saying that. Nazism is a subset of fascism with extra hate. Fascism has a strictly nationalist component, Nazism has a further racist component beyond its own borders. The “master race” argument is specific to Nazism.
I’m sorry, I’m too busy dealing with my rights being trampled and taken away by these monsters along with other life stressors to care about your moral grandstanding.
Yes. Fuck them. Fuck anyone who supports them for “economic anxiety” or whatever BS rationalization they use to blind themselves, and fuck anyone who is still giving fascists the benifit of the doubt.
There is no middle ground, no high road, when these people literally want to kill me and my friends. I am exhausted by the last week along and have long been sick of people treating fascists with kid gloves.
The idea that people think I’m as bad as they are for standing up for myself while they inflict violence on me. Every step of calling fascists fascists and it’s called “hyperbole” or “hysterical”. Because acknowledgement of what they say they will do, have been doing, and are doing means their lives might be disrupted, that they would need to do something.
They do. We all do. But most people aren’t. So, I’m focused on protecting me and mine. If you wanted a world where all we do is finger wag at fascist then something should have been done to stop what is happening right now…
But now, I have no sympathy anymore and grow tired of liberals, and honestly not a small number of the left, saying we should be above that. That ship sailed a long time ago.
If you are privileged enough to still feel like you are above that, then fucking do something so those of us who are the current targets don’t have to defend ourselves alone.
I wanted to write a long reply, addressing each and every point of yours, but we’re past due that point.
So allow me to throw the little rationality I try to use when addressing this kind of subject and instead just talk from my basic instincts.
I don’t like fascists. I don’t condone them. I denounce their actions, ideas and ideals. And I’m not afraid of them.
What is being done currently in the US is a crime against humanity, by a criminal regime.
You are in your right to want vengeance, to want payback for all the evil you and your friends have been targeted with. You want blood. And, sincerely speaking, you’re owed it. And I hope others like me, over there, are willing to fight by you, for you.
What I also and sincerely hope is that when the time to fight back, by force, comes, that resort to brutality does not become a call to unchecked violence.
So, fight back. Fight with all you got. Fight until you either drop or win. But please, please, remember you are not like them. Your victory is not about persecution; it’s about ending it.
If they salute like a nazi then they are a nazi. Modeled after the German variety of fascism venerating Hitler etc. Neo-nazi would work I guess, but everything they’ve been doing is straight out of Hitler’s playbook so I feel comfortable using the term nazi.
As for projection of force, you don’t really have any to project. Any resistance would need to be very asymmetric in nature ie high value targets using guerilla methods. I think the difference between force and violence is semantic and really only serves as a euphemism. Moreover you need to create a spectacle of violence. Luigi mangione didn’t use force.
That’s your prerrogative; I respect that. It won’t be small differences like those putting us on opposite corners.
Will I call the act of Mangione as brutal? Yes. But it ended there. The guy did not went on a rampage, after the man’s family and others. So, it was a resort to force, not to violence.
We’re seeing violence being enacted towards groups and individuals. Mass killings in Gaza, torture, starvation, exposure… that is violence.
Going up against a group, even if well organized, by attacking and eliminating key figures, that’s force.
Allow me a more down to earth example: you see an ICE raid mounting. You organize a group of neighbours, hold the cops at gun point, beat the lights out of them, in extremis, a few die, and warn them they are not to come back there.
That’s force.
You kill everyone, raid and destroy their station, go after their families and friends, and hit on sight every single agent.
Criminal law doesn’t work on Nazis. They control the courts. Very few non violent options left I’m afraid.
Try this: fascists.
The German National Party is no more.
There is a difference between resorting to force to push down and cull the scum trying to topple the world and resorting to violence like they are, to butcher those they see as worthless, unfit, different.
Force, not violence.
I only wish in them what they wish on me. Anyone who has an issue with that is enabling fascism.
So, given that the average fascist considers anyone who does not subscribe their narrow view of the world as worthless and disposeable and are known to be very expedite on devising cruel and brutal ways to dispose of those they dislike, it would be fair, on your understanding, that the fascists underwent the exact same treatment?
You know why no one uses the phrase “Nazi apologist”? Because there’s a word for it already. Nazi.
Fascist.
The proper word is fascist.
Stop saying that. Nazism is a subset of fascism with extra hate. Fascism has a strictly nationalist component, Nazism has a further racist component beyond its own borders. The “master race” argument is specific to Nazism.
No. Fascism is fascism. Same shit, different bucket. Fuck’em.
I’m sorry, I’m too busy dealing with my rights being trampled and taken away by these monsters along with other life stressors to care about your moral grandstanding.
Yes. Fuck them. Fuck anyone who supports them for “economic anxiety” or whatever BS rationalization they use to blind themselves, and fuck anyone who is still giving fascists the benifit of the doubt.
There is no middle ground, no high road, when these people literally want to kill me and my friends. I am exhausted by the last week along and have long been sick of people treating fascists with kid gloves.
The idea that people think I’m as bad as they are for standing up for myself while they inflict violence on me. Every step of calling fascists fascists and it’s called “hyperbole” or “hysterical”. Because acknowledgement of what they say they will do, have been doing, and are doing means their lives might be disrupted, that they would need to do something.
They do. We all do. But most people aren’t. So, I’m focused on protecting me and mine. If you wanted a world where all we do is finger wag at fascist then something should have been done to stop what is happening right now…
But now, I have no sympathy anymore and grow tired of liberals, and honestly not a small number of the left, saying we should be above that. That ship sailed a long time ago.
If you are privileged enough to still feel like you are above that, then fucking do something so those of us who are the current targets don’t have to defend ourselves alone.
I wanted to write a long reply, addressing each and every point of yours, but we’re past due that point.
So allow me to throw the little rationality I try to use when addressing this kind of subject and instead just talk from my basic instincts.
I don’t like fascists. I don’t condone them. I denounce their actions, ideas and ideals. And I’m not afraid of them.
What is being done currently in the US is a crime against humanity, by a criminal regime.
You are in your right to want vengeance, to want payback for all the evil you and your friends have been targeted with. You want blood. And, sincerely speaking, you’re owed it. And I hope others like me, over there, are willing to fight by you, for you.
What I also and sincerely hope is that when the time to fight back, by force, comes, that resort to brutality does not become a call to unchecked violence.
So, fight back. Fight with all you got. Fight until you either drop or win. But please, please, remember you are not like them. Your victory is not about persecution; it’s about ending it.
Sea Lion
I love that comic!
If they salute like a nazi then they are a nazi. Modeled after the German variety of fascism venerating Hitler etc. Neo-nazi would work I guess, but everything they’ve been doing is straight out of Hitler’s playbook so I feel comfortable using the term nazi.
As for projection of force, you don’t really have any to project. Any resistance would need to be very asymmetric in nature ie high value targets using guerilla methods. I think the difference between force and violence is semantic and really only serves as a euphemism. Moreover you need to create a spectacle of violence. Luigi mangione didn’t use force.
That’s your prerrogative; I respect that. It won’t be small differences like those putting us on opposite corners.
Will I call the act of Mangione as brutal? Yes. But it ended there. The guy did not went on a rampage, after the man’s family and others. So, it was a resort to force, not to violence.
We’re seeing violence being enacted towards groups and individuals. Mass killings in Gaza, torture, starvation, exposure… that is violence.
Going up against a group, even if well organized, by attacking and eliminating key figures, that’s force.
Allow me a more down to earth example: you see an ICE raid mounting. You organize a group of neighbours, hold the cops at gun point, beat the lights out of them, in extremis, a few die, and warn them they are not to come back there.
That’s force.
You kill everyone, raid and destroy their station, go after their families and friends, and hit on sight every single agent.
That’s violence.