they do if you delude the meaning of what a Fascists is. in that way we can all be Fascists because it does not mean anything anymore. and who do you think that helps. that’s what happens when you play with the meaning of words they become meaningless.
Right, but in the case of the current US and the current administration, the term is accurate.
Fascism is a far-right (check) political ideology characterized by authoritarianism (check), extreme nationalism (check), and the suppression of opposition (check), often led by a dictatorial leader (check). It emphasizes the subordination of individual interests to the perceived good of the nation or race (check) and typically involves a centralized autocratic government (check).
you just say that because your not politically aligned with the current administration. you would support all of this if it was your side doing it and you would be a lot more rigid and forgiving in your definition of Fascists for them. for your political opponents a very broad definition of fascism. for the side you Aline with a very narrow rigid definition of fascism to be lot more forgiving.
calling people fascists is just a political game that most people eye roll at now. it has lost all its effect its politically meaningless the only thing it does now is show your a lefty or a communist. and people eye roll at that to.
I clearly and concisely supported my contention that the term “fascist” is appropriate to this administration.
You responded with a string of laughably false ad hominems, painfully transparent paychological projection and a pathetic attempt to just dismiss my argument out of hand. The one thing you did NOT respond with is even the faintest trace of intellectual integrity, so there’s no point in trying to pursue thecdebate any further.
Oh and… a thing that people like you seem to generally fail to grasp - you don’t really fool anyone. The lurkers can see what you’re doing just as clearly as I can.
I always think it’s so crazy when Republicans say crap like this. Democrats hate our leadership, just not as much as we hate your leadership. We absolutely would not follow any democratic leaders into the dark, we barely follow them in the light.
Do you have a definition of fascist you approve of, or would argue for? It’s absolutely true that some people throw around words as dismissal but that doesn’t mean we just all throw up our hands and say all words are meaningless.
Ultimately, the fight over ‘fascism’ is a fight to define ‘fascism.’ Having no definition is not a position to argue from. It’s ignorance. Arguing on behalf of ignorance is just noise. Even if no one else shares your definition, decide what it is, then argue for that.
That is not what I asked. You’re saying it’s being used incorrectly, which means you have a definition in mind which isn’t being met. What is that definition?
“Although fascist parties and movements differed significantly from one another, they had many characteristics in common, including extreme militaristic nationalism, contempt for electoral democracy and political and cultural liberalism, a belief in natural social hierarchy and the rule of elites, and the desire to create a Volksgemeinschaft (German: “people’s community”), in which individual interests would be subordinated to the good of the nation.”
Or maybe the Webster’s Dictionary definition?
"a populist political philosophy, movement, or regime (such as that of the Fascisti) that exalts nation and often race above the individual, that is associated with a centralized autocratic government headed by a dictatorial leader, and that is characterized by severe economic and social regimentation and by forcible suppression of opposition”
Because by those definitions “fascism” is not being used incorrectly.
If you have an alternate definition which supports your claim, you’ll need to provide it yourself.
yes of course that is very smurt because doing this makes people take that very seriously. how does it feel to help nazis make that word have no impact anymore.
Did you not see Musk do a fucking Sieg Heil on live TV last week and go on tour to shake hands with his fellow NeoNazis in Germany??
Have you missed the part where Trump said he fully planned on being a dictator? How about the 900-page manual where his lackeys described in detail how to do it?
this was to fight real fascism not just the people you don’t like.
Which is exactly why it’s relevant today.
Fascists don’t magically stop being fascists just because you happen to hate the same people they do.
they do if you delude the meaning of what a Fascists is. in that way we can all be Fascists because it does not mean anything anymore. and who do you think that helps. that’s what happens when you play with the meaning of words they become meaningless.
Right, but in the case of the current US and the current administration, the term is accurate.
you just say that because your not politically aligned with the current administration. you would support all of this if it was your side doing it and you would be a lot more rigid and forgiving in your definition of Fascists for them. for your political opponents a very broad definition of fascism. for the side you Aline with a very narrow rigid definition of fascism to be lot more forgiving. calling people fascists is just a political game that most people eye roll at now. it has lost all its effect its politically meaningless the only thing it does now is show your a lefty or a communist. and people eye roll at that to.
It’s really sort of astonishing that every single thing you said here is wrong. And mostly misspelled to boot.
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I clearly and concisely supported my contention that the term “fascist” is appropriate to this administration.
You responded with a string of laughably false ad hominems, painfully transparent paychological projection and a pathetic attempt to just dismiss my argument out of hand. The one thing you did NOT respond with is even the faintest trace of intellectual integrity, so there’s no point in trying to pursue thecdebate any further.
Oh and… a thing that people like you seem to generally fail to grasp - you don’t really fool anyone. The lurkers can see what you’re doing just as clearly as I can.
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I always think it’s so crazy when Republicans say crap like this. Democrats hate our leadership, just not as much as we hate your leadership. We absolutely would not follow any democratic leaders into the dark, we barely follow them in the light.
Sell me on Trump not being a fascist please
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Well that seems silly. Care to explain what we should do?
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Do you have a definition of fascist you approve of, or would argue for? It’s absolutely true that some people throw around words as dismissal but that doesn’t mean we just all throw up our hands and say all words are meaningless.
Ultimately, the fight over ‘fascism’ is a fight to define ‘fascism.’ Having no definition is not a position to argue from. It’s ignorance. Arguing on behalf of ignorance is just noise. Even if no one else shares your definition, decide what it is, then argue for that.
Wow, the projection.
…oh, but it does…
What do you think “fascism” means?
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That is not what I asked. You’re saying it’s being used incorrectly, which means you have a definition in mind which isn’t being met. What is that definition?
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The Encyclopaedia Britannica definition?
Or maybe the Webster’s Dictionary definition?
Because by those definitions “fascism” is not being used incorrectly.
If you have an alternate definition which supports your claim, you’ll need to provide it yourself.
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Fascism should more appropriately be called Corporatism because it is a merger of state and corporate power.
Spotted the Nazi.
Pretty sure you guys are arguing with a child.
yes of course that is very smurt because doing this makes people take that very seriously. how does it feel to help nazis make that word have no impact anymore.
Okay, we spotted a stupid nazi I guess
Luckily for the rest of the species, this describes nearly all nazis.
It’s scary how many signs there are in this current administration. And they’re not even hiding it.
Did you not see Musk do a fucking Sieg Heil on live TV last week and go on tour to shake hands with his fellow NeoNazis in Germany??
Have you missed the part where Trump said he fully planned on being a dictator? How about the 900-page manual where his lackeys described in detail how to do it?
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Refusing to give a Machiavellian narcissist attention generally works best BEFORE they rise to global power, sweetie.
Musk is also a eugenics supporter.
You should join your comrades in the Russian infantry and enjoy the NATO tungsten.
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Corporate/Fascists want you to spot the difference between them