• mycelium underground
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      Unless they can’t, some people are immunocompromised. The world is more complicated than you think, so try thinking instead of reacting.

      • @ubergeek@lemmy.today
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        525 days ago

        Well, I get that. And at this point, I’m sicking of trying to keep people from setting the house on fire, while they are dousing themselves with gasoline.

          • Flying Squid
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            Don’t even bother. They think you can vaccinate against bacteria. And they’ve doubled down on it three times now.

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              https://www.reuters.com/article/world/fact-check-vaccines-do-protect-against-viral-infection-idUSKBN25O207/

              Vaccines can be developed for bacterial or viral infections. As explained here the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC), vaccines are used to prevent, rather than treat, infection, “working with the body’s natural defenses to safely develop immunity to disease.” Vaccines mimic an infection, causing the body to produce antibodies and defensive white blood cells, in order to help develop immunity.

            • @I_Fart_Glitter
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              Several vaccines against extracellular bacteria have been developed in the past and are still used successfully today, e.g., vaccines against tetanus, pertussis, and diphtheria. However, while induction of antibody production is usually sufficient for protection against extracellular bacteria, vaccination against intracellular bacteria is much more difficult because effective defense against these pathogens requires T cell-mediated responses, particularly the activation of cytotoxic CD8+ T cells. These responses are usually not efficiently elicited by immunization with non-living whole cell antigens or subunit vaccines, so that other antigen delivery strategies are required.

              https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC9144739/

    • @michaelmrose
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      There isn’t an available bird flu vaccine that we could manufacture fast enough to make it available even if we started right now. This is assuming that they let us have it instead of telling us to tough it out and take some vitamin C.

        • Flying Squid
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          You didn’t even read that, did you?

          H5N1 continually mutates, meaning vaccines based on current samples of avian H5N1 cannot be depended upon to work in the case of a future pandemic of H5N1. While there can be some cross-protection against related flu strains, the best protection would be from a vaccine specifically produced for any future pandemic flu virus strain. Daniel R. Lucey, co-director of the Biohazardous Threats and Emerging Diseases graduate program at Georgetown University, has made this point, “There is no H5N1 pandemic so there can be no pandemic vaccine.”[34] However, “pre-pandemic vaccines” have been created; are being refined and tested; and do have some promise both in furthering research and preparedness for the next pandemic.[35] Vaccine manufacturing companies are being funded to increase flexible capacity so that if a pandemic vaccine is needed, facilities will be available for rapid production of large amounts of a vaccine specific to a new pandemic strain.[36]

          There is no guarantee that any “pre-pandemic” vaccines will work.

          But then, you think you can vaccinate against bacteria…

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              No. No you can’t. Again, you really do not understand how any of this works. Pneumonia isn’t even a cause, it’s a symptom. I can be caused by fungi, viruses or bacteria. Saying you can vaccinate against pneumonia is like saying you can vaccinate against a runny nose. That’s literally not how anything works.

              But please do keep digging.

                • Flying Squid
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                  I know you’re pretending that’s the only cause of pneumonia, but you’re wrong. You are listing a common cause of the symptom, far from the only cause.

                  Pneumonia is inflammation and fluid in your lungs caused by a bacterial, viral or fungal infection. It makes it difficult to breathe and can cause a fever and cough with yellow, green or bloody mucus. The flu, COVID-19 and pneumococcal disease are common causes of pneumonia. Treatment depends on the cause and severity of pneumonia.

                  https://my.clevelandclinic.org/health/diseases/4471-pneumonia

                  Let me guess, you know better than they do.

                  • @ubergeek@lemmy.today
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                    Jesus fucking christ.

                    Just admit you were wrong about not being able to vaccinate against bacterial diseases.

                    Pneumonococcal vaccine vacinates against a bacteria responsible for the vast majority of pneumonia cases. Hence, it’s name.

    • Flying Squid
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      Please tell me about the salmonella and e. coli vaccines.

      • @ubergeek@lemmy.today
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        I dunno if we have them, because they are both only transmissible via tainted food or water. And, well, if you don’t drink or eat tainted food, you wont really have to worry, now will you?