Liberals are not the left. They are the ones responsible for this mess. Them still blaming the left, the true left, means that either they understand nothing of life and politics, or that they, as always, prefer to fight the left rather than fascism if give n the choice.
Hitler came into power because the the liberals sided with him to fight the left. The left was already fighting the nazis for a while at this point.
History repeats itself: while the left tries to fight fascism and warns about, the liberals pretend they’re also fighting this fight, but actually lean more and more toward a fascist discourse and ultimately side with them.
Biden had 4 fucking years to fight fascism. He did absolutely nothing. He waited for the election result to scramble emergency measures to save what could still be saved.
What’s happening in the US is happening everywhere, in Europe too. Liberal governments still push liberal policies that everyone hates, and talk like the left is responsible for all the problems in the world. Meanwhile the fascist bought all medias and half the politicians and the liberals are doing nothing about it.
Liberals had absolutely all the powers in most government and international institutions, yet they did absolutely fuck all to fight the fascism that’s rising in plain sight for 50 fucking years!
This stuff again about “true-left” and what not. Framing all liberals as part of the problem ignores the bigger picture. I agree that liberals have often been weak in confronting fascism, and some have even enabled it, but they’re not monolithic. Many liberal voters are just politically disengaged or confused about what’s happening. If you just write them off as enemies, you’re pushing them closer to reactionaries rather than pulling them toward the left. Anybody that opposes “right-wingism” is good enough of a leftist to me. The real question is how do we win them over instead of letting the right absorb them?
If you keep up this ultra-left purism, we’ll never build broad coalitions. If the only acceptable leftists are those who fit a rigid ideological mold, then the left will always remain politically weak and fractured while the right consolidates power. Politics is about power, not being correct! You sound like a Bolshevik.
So by “ultra left purism” you think the actual left should be willing to accept compromise positions with literal fascists and their enablers (and by enablers, I also mean those who are willing to compromise with fascists)? Because that’s all the Democrats seem to have doing so far. There is even bipartisan support for many of Trump’s nominees going on as we speak. When given the choice between socialism and fascism, liberals choose fascism every single time, because it’s more aligned with their core values. I know liberals still cling to the belief they are “progressive” and in some ways that’s true, at least compared to the Republicans. But meanwhile, the US has still not got universal healthcare, free education, or a decent social safety net. Democratic governors still imprison black people at hugely inflated rates, through unjust laws and unjust police methods, and rent out prison labor as a form of slave labor. No establishment Democrats are talking about getting money out of politics or seriously challenging what Trump is doing. None of those things will ever be properly addressed by the Democrats. They are the cause of the shitty status quo just as much as the Republicans are.
You’re attacking a strawman. Nobody is saying the left should “compromise with literal fascists.” What I’m saying is that coalition-building is necessary for power.
Yes, Democrats have serious problems. Yes, they enable capitalist exploitation and refuse to meaningfully challenge corporate power. Yes, they uphold the prison-industrial complex. But that doesn’t make them the same as fascists. Fascists want outright ethnostates, mass purges, dictatorship, and full corporate-state fusion.
When liberals are pushed into a binary choice between socialism and fascism, they historically do lean right. But that’s because leftists have failed and continuously fail to make socialism a viable option for them. Instead of winning them over, ultra-leftists alienate them with purity tests and outright hostility. And then, when the left remains weak and ineffective, they blame liberals for siding with the right. It’s self-sabotage.
So how about not purity-testing everyone and recognize that politics is about coalitions, not ideological perfection?
Liberals are not the left. They are the ones responsible for this mess. Them still blaming the left, the true left, means that either they understand nothing of life and politics, or that they, as always, prefer to fight the left rather than fascism if give n the choice.
Hitler came into power because the the liberals sided with him to fight the left. The left was already fighting the nazis for a while at this point.
History repeats itself: while the left tries to fight fascism and warns about, the liberals pretend they’re also fighting this fight, but actually lean more and more toward a fascist discourse and ultimately side with them.
Biden had 4 fucking years to fight fascism. He did absolutely nothing. He waited for the election result to scramble emergency measures to save what could still be saved.
What’s happening in the US is happening everywhere, in Europe too. Liberal governments still push liberal policies that everyone hates, and talk like the left is responsible for all the problems in the world. Meanwhile the fascist bought all medias and half the politicians and the liberals are doing nothing about it.
Liberals had absolutely all the powers in most government and international institutions, yet they did absolutely fuck all to fight the fascism that’s rising in plain sight for 50 fucking years!
This stuff again about “true-left” and what not. Framing all liberals as part of the problem ignores the bigger picture. I agree that liberals have often been weak in confronting fascism, and some have even enabled it, but they’re not monolithic. Many liberal voters are just politically disengaged or confused about what’s happening. If you just write them off as enemies, you’re pushing them closer to reactionaries rather than pulling them toward the left. Anybody that opposes “right-wingism” is good enough of a leftist to me. The real question is how do we win them over instead of letting the right absorb them?
Liberals literally aren’t left-wing, it’s a right-wing ideology
No, it correctly claims that they’re right wingers and thus, problematic
Not an excuse at all
That’s not Liberals
Beat them violently into submission, as they deserve
If you keep up this ultra-left purism, we’ll never build broad coalitions. If the only acceptable leftists are those who fit a rigid ideological mold, then the left will always remain politically weak and fractured while the right consolidates power. Politics is about power, not being correct! You sound like a Bolshevik.
Have fun with your circlejerk.
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So by “ultra left purism” you think the actual left should be willing to accept compromise positions with literal fascists and their enablers (and by enablers, I also mean those who are willing to compromise with fascists)? Because that’s all the Democrats seem to have doing so far. There is even bipartisan support for many of Trump’s nominees going on as we speak. When given the choice between socialism and fascism, liberals choose fascism every single time, because it’s more aligned with their core values. I know liberals still cling to the belief they are “progressive” and in some ways that’s true, at least compared to the Republicans. But meanwhile, the US has still not got universal healthcare, free education, or a decent social safety net. Democratic governors still imprison black people at hugely inflated rates, through unjust laws and unjust police methods, and rent out prison labor as a form of slave labor. No establishment Democrats are talking about getting money out of politics or seriously challenging what Trump is doing. None of those things will ever be properly addressed by the Democrats. They are the cause of the shitty status quo just as much as the Republicans are.
You’re attacking a strawman. Nobody is saying the left should “compromise with literal fascists.” What I’m saying is that coalition-building is necessary for power.
Yes, Democrats have serious problems. Yes, they enable capitalist exploitation and refuse to meaningfully challenge corporate power. Yes, they uphold the prison-industrial complex. But that doesn’t make them the same as fascists. Fascists want outright ethnostates, mass purges, dictatorship, and full corporate-state fusion.
When liberals are pushed into a binary choice between socialism and fascism, they historically do lean right. But that’s because leftists have failed and continuously fail to make socialism a viable option for them. Instead of winning them over, ultra-leftists alienate them with purity tests and outright hostility. And then, when the left remains weak and ineffective, they blame liberals for siding with the right. It’s self-sabotage.
So how about not purity-testing everyone and recognize that politics is about coalitions, not ideological perfection?
Again: the people being discussed are, by definition, not on the left
Learn what words mean or you’ll keep looking stupid. Have fun being an idiot