• @[email protected]
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    35 hours ago

    Do you think any of that loss might have been caused by the Dems declaring a great economy, and telling voters to stop whining, and just vote Blue No Matter Who?

    • @FlowVoid
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      05 hours ago

      I don’t know.

      But I do know who Democrats need to win back if they want to win in 2028. And those voters are mostly centrists.

      • @[email protected]
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        24 hours ago

        Im dying to know: what sort of voters do you think democrats were focusing on grabbing for this past election?

        • @FlowVoid
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          4 hours ago

          Centrists. The ones who decided this election. And also decided the 2020 election.

          • @[email protected]
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            24 hours ago

            So you’re saying that democrats focused on catering to centrists for 2025, lost spectacularly, and the new strategy needs to be… catering to centrists?

            The DNC needs to hire you. Something something, the definition of insanity is…

            • @FlowVoid
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              04 hours ago

              I’m saying Democrats successfully won centrists in 2020 (and 1992, and 1996, and 2008, and 2012) but failed to do so in 2024.

              They need to understand why. But the solution is probably not “be less centrist”.

          • @[email protected]
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            14 hours ago

            So, by “centrist” you mean Reich Wingers?

            So, to win, they just need to become a more right wing party? I’m sure that’s a winning strategy… Which it may be. Its certainly not a strategy to represent the working class, though.

            • @FlowVoid
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              13 hours ago

              By centrist, I’m specifically referring to Latinos and Gen Z males. They were Biden voters in 2020 and shifted to Trump in 2024. Democrats need to win those groups back. And they don’t seem to care much about class war.

              • @[email protected]
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                12 hours ago

                By centrist, I’m specifically referring to Latinos and Gen Z males.

                That’s not what a centrist is.

                Have you bothered to look into why younger Latinos and Gen Z males flocked to the fascist candidate? It wasn’t because fascism is closer to the center than the Dems are… Spoiler, go play some multiplayer FPS to hear why.

                • @FlowVoid
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                  02 hours ago

                  Nobody knows for sure why, not even people who play FPS games.

                  What is clear is that Democrats need to win them back. Democrats don’t seem to think leftism will win them back, and I agree.

                  • @[email protected]
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                    12 hours ago

                    Nobody knows for sure why, not even people who play FPS games.

                    I dunno, the racial slurs, homophobic slurs, misogynistic slurs tend to give it away to me…

                    What is clear is that Democrats need to win them back. Democrats don’t seem to think leftism will win them back, and I agree.

                    We disagree on the latter, maybe. But then what’s your solution? Dems become just as openly fascist as the GOP?

                    I mean, just say you don’t want a liberated working class at that point, and just start saying the quiet part out loud: The Dems and the GOP are two faces of the same ruling oligarchs.

                    If the goal is power, for power’s sake, do you really want those people telling you what to do? Do you enjoy the image of a boot stomping on a human face for all eternity?

      • @[email protected]
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        14 hours ago

        Ah yes, the centrists! You know the ones who “both sides” everything, and turns out? They just vote Trump?

        How many more centrists do you think the Dems will need to court? Wasn’t Dick Cheney enough? You know, the war criminal?

        How about, like, maybe just trying to listen to the working class?