Because if he acted like he does in the New Testament any good feelings towards him would soon sour:
His commands are entirely based on personal responsibility. Giving to the poor was voluntary. Even in the church after his death. He never instituted a church rule for how much one should give, in the early church it was led by conscience.
He healed people but specifically to demonstrate God’s power, not because people deserved a healthy life. Many people went unhealed during his lifetime and after.
He specifically tells Christians to continue paying taxes to a dictator and to concentrate on other things
He condemns “porneia”. Which to a first century Jew unambiguously included gay sex. (Jesus says he’s specifically ministering to Jews)
As the Word of God he’s the source of the Jewish Torah and all its associated problems
No comment on the right to bodily autonomy. No comment on age of consent. No comment on slavery. Which is all a tacit acceptance of the status quo…
Etc
For the record I think the right would hate him just as much just for different reasons.
About those translations. “Tesla tsela” can be rib or side. Jewish people already said yhwh is androgyne, some posited hermaphrodite, so it seems to me it means side, as in half (which is just repackaging Sumerian religion, yhwh being a Canite desert storm warrior God, El being the peaceful one). Jesus never addressed homosexuality, but he did address adultery afaict, and even sex work they dragged only the woman caught in the act before the public, and not the man, where the penalty for either was the same.
I read Jesus as being socialist. Pay your taxes, feed the hungry, heal the sick, clothe the naked, take care of prisoners.
One could say the same about unrelated acts such as incest and beastiality but no one thinks he was permissive of those things. That’s because he was talking to Jews and condemned “porneia” (‘unlawful sex’), which to Jews unambiguously included all of the above including gay sex.
I read Jesus as being socialist
I do too, but more as an anarcho-socialist. He gave no instruction on how to run a state. And all he says about property and conflict resolution (basically pacifist, let yourself be robbed, wronged and stolen from, do not exercise violence towards another) do not carry over into how to run a state at all.
I don’t tend to use the word because it often implies progressive social values and rights which Jesus’ ministry bears little example of. (He was progressive in the first century, but not the 21st century)
That was meant to be tsela. Autocorrect is a bane.
I don’t see how you get where he said let yourself be robbed. But I guess different brains work differently.
ETA: maybe the gospel writers who lived hundreds of years after missed some stuff. Real time reports do the same. Or maybe they deliberately left some stuff out. Hard to say since there’s no proof Jesus ever existed.
For real kicks, check out the Ethiopian Bible. A lot of lore that’s not mentioned in the canonical gets explained there. Enoch (Metatron) and Testament of Solomon are wild. It’s what Goetian magic is based on. Which in my best estimation are early attempts at self-psychology, but that just comes from having listened to a couple of Don Duquett presentations.
I don’t see how you get where he said let yourself be robbed
“Do not resist an evil person. If anyone wants to sue you and take your shirt, hand over your coat as well. If anyone forces you to go one mile, go with them two miles. Give to the one who asks you…” - Matthew 5:39
why would the left hate him?
Because if he acted like he does in the New Testament any good feelings towards him would soon sour:
His commands are entirely based on personal responsibility. Giving to the poor was voluntary. Even in the church after his death. He never instituted a church rule for how much one should give, in the early church it was led by conscience.
He healed people but specifically to demonstrate God’s power, not because people deserved a healthy life. Many people went unhealed during his lifetime and after.
He specifically tells Christians to continue paying taxes to a dictator and to concentrate on other things
He condemns “porneia”. Which to a first century Jew unambiguously included gay sex. (Jesus says he’s specifically ministering to Jews)
As the Word of God he’s the source of the Jewish Torah and all its associated problems
No comment on the right to bodily autonomy. No comment on age of consent. No comment on slavery. Which is all a tacit acceptance of the status quo…
Etc
For the record I think the right would hate him just as much just for different reasons.
About those translations. “
Teslatsela” can be rib or side. Jewish people already said yhwh is androgyne, some posited hermaphrodite, so it seems to me it means side, as in half (which is just repackaging Sumerian religion, yhwh being a Canite desert storm warrior God, El being the peaceful one). Jesus never addressed homosexuality, but he did address adultery afaict, and even sex work they dragged only the woman caught in the act before the public, and not the man, where the penalty for either was the same.I read Jesus as being socialist. Pay your taxes, feed the hungry, heal the sick, clothe the naked, take care of prisoners.
I don’t follow the relevance of this
One could say the same about unrelated acts such as incest and beastiality but no one thinks he was permissive of those things. That’s because he was talking to Jews and condemned “porneia” (‘unlawful sex’), which to Jews unambiguously included all of the above including gay sex.
I do too, but more as an anarcho-socialist. He gave no instruction on how to run a state. And all he says about property and conflict resolution (basically pacifist, let yourself be robbed, wronged and stolen from, do not exercise violence towards another) do not carry over into how to run a state at all.
I don’t tend to use the word because it often implies progressive social values and rights which Jesus’ ministry bears little example of. (He was progressive in the first century, but not the 21st century)
That was meant to be tsela. Autocorrect is a bane.
I don’t see how you get where he said let yourself be robbed. But I guess different brains work differently.
ETA: maybe the gospel writers who lived hundreds of years after missed some stuff. Real time reports do the same. Or maybe they deliberately left some stuff out. Hard to say since there’s no proof Jesus ever existed.
For real kicks, check out the Ethiopian Bible. A lot of lore that’s not mentioned in the canonical gets explained there. Enoch (Metatron) and Testament of Solomon are wild. It’s what Goetian magic is based on. Which in my best estimation are early attempts at self-psychology, but that just comes from having listened to a couple of Don Duquett presentations.
“Do not resist an evil person. If anyone wants to sue you and take your shirt, hand over your coat as well. If anyone forces you to go one mile, go with them two miles. Give to the one who asks you…” - Matthew 5:39
Fair. ETA: what version is that? First time I ever saw "sue "
Maybe he was talking about a poor robber. Maybe he wasn’t. Maybe what we see about characters reflects our shadows, light and dark.
The above was from the NIV but it’s similar in all translations as you can see on biblehub:
https://biblehub.com/matthew/5-39.htm
https://biblehub.com/matthew/5-40.htm
https://biblehub.com/matthew/5-42.htm
Holy shit! I’ve got to pull out my ancient hardcopies and see if this is memory failure or updated translating.