"It is not Trump—just as it was not Biden or Harris—who decides what the Palestinians can or cannot do," Abandon Harris' Hudhayfah Ahmad told Newsweek.
To everyone calling them stupid. What exactly should they have done in this situation? What is the better solution when your only options are death or a faster death?
If you need to hold your nose to make the choice to prevent a worse alternative, then you hold your nose and make the choice that prevents a worse alternative.
No one said it’s an easy choice. But it’s a simple choice. Don’t confuse Easy with Simple because it’s a hard, hard binary choice.
And this was explained, so, so so, so-so, so many times.
So to paraphrase:
“I don’t oppose ethnic cleansing in principle, only degree”
Kamala Harris was an evil MF for bankrolling Israels genocidal campaign. They could have changed their stance on Israel/Palestine, and they had abundant opportunities and warnings to do so, but no.
Vote blue and send huge amounts of letters and phone calls to your Congress people telling them to stop supporting this. Run new candidates under the Democratic party that push them further left.
Sounds impossible? Yes. People were force fed propaganda and gave up this election, because its a hard choice. There is no easy route. Its either revolution or try to change a party to something better. There is no option 3.
People told the centrists, I told my friends for fucks sake. I know someone who stayed home saying their vote didn’t matter and both sides are evil. I told them that is a vote for Trump.
They were right. Their vote didn’t matter because trump won by a landslide in our state. But what if they, and thousands of their compatriots, weren’t force fed propaganda on Facebook and TV?
The republicans won because of coordinated attacks that presented centrists with multiple trolley problems. I held out hope until the end, but I should have known what was going to happen when some reasonably intelligent people fell for it.
In that case, the best way to ensure a politician who supports a certain cause comes along is to conditionally support politicians only when they support said cause.
The lefts goal is to stop the genocide, in either scenario, but it seems like a much harder thing to do under the latter option.
An important part of my response that you seem to have missed.
Essentially, stopping the genocide is multi-stage process, but that’s (apparently) a very complicated thing for you to understand, so instead you just gave up and accepted defeat.
And not just accepted defeat, but used that defeat to feel morally superior to those that didn’t stop fighting, that recognized that Palestinian liberation would require more than just voting in the presidential election. That voting was the just the bare minimum requirement of the task at hand.
People like you are idiots and will always share some of the responsibility for what this white-christo facist regime inflicts on the world.
We overwhelmingly did not support the sending of weapons to Israel and they were sent there anyways, so your strategy was ineffective and was demonstrated to you as ineffective for over a year.
Do you understand?
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Recent polls indicate significant opposition among Democrats to President Biden’s decision to send weapons to Israel. A March 2024 YouGov poll found that 62% of Biden voters supported halting arms shipments to Israel during its military offensive in Gaza, with only 14% opposing[2][5]. Additionally, a Gallup poll from the same period showed just 18% of Democrats approving of Israeli actions in Gaza, reflecting broader discontent with Biden’s stance[7].
they could have shut up and never expressed emotion or dissent at the deplorable level of dignity stripping they were subject to.
that’s the genuine answer. that’s what white liberals would have preferred.
and now they are getting shouted down by those liberals for still advocating for their own rights. many still even voted harris. it’s truly heartbreaking. america is so racist even the rise of fascism is blamed on brown people.
To everyone calling them stupid. What exactly should they have done in this situation? What is the better solution when your only options are death or a faster death?
Im genuinely asking
If you need to hold your nose to make the choice to prevent a worse alternative, then you hold your nose and make the choice that prevents a worse alternative.
No one said it’s an easy choice. But it’s a simple choice. Don’t confuse Easy with Simple because it’s a hard, hard binary choice.
And this was explained, so, so so, so-so, so many times.
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So to paraphrase: “I don’t oppose ethnic cleansing in principle, only degree”
Kamala Harris was an evil MF for bankrolling Israels genocidal campaign. They could have changed their stance on Israel/Palestine, and they had abundant opportunities and warnings to do so, but no.
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My takeaway from this whole thing is that people are fucking spoiled rotten. As you said, twas a simple choice.
Vote blue and send huge amounts of letters and phone calls to your Congress people telling them to stop supporting this. Run new candidates under the Democratic party that push them further left.
Sounds impossible? Yes. People were force fed propaganda and gave up this election, because its a hard choice. There is no easy route. Its either revolution or try to change a party to something better. There is no option 3.
People told the centrists, I told my friends for fucks sake. I know someone who stayed home saying their vote didn’t matter and both sides are evil. I told them that is a vote for Trump.
They were right. Their vote didn’t matter because trump won by a landslide in our state. But what if they, and thousands of their compatriots, weren’t force fed propaganda on Facebook and TV?
The republicans won because of coordinated attacks that presented centrists with multiple trolley problems. I held out hope until the end, but I should have known what was going to happen when some reasonably intelligent people fell for it.
So RIP to potentially competitive down ballot races that their liberal vote could have helped. Judges, city council, prosecutors, etc
Slower death with the ability to continue advocacy and refugee work.
Slower death means more people escape while peace talks occur. More people will die now, at an increased rate.
Rather than Israel getting some, insufficient but existing friction, they now have completely free reign
The options appears to have been
Get bombed but afterwards the survivors get to stay in their homeland.
Or
Get bombed and afterwards the survivors are ethnically cleansed and their homeland becomes a US/Israel resort.
So slow genocide with open air prison vs quicker genocide?
Surviving until another more friendly politician comes around is certainly a much better option.
The best way to ensure a politician who supports a cause comes along is to support politicians unconditionally whether they support it or not.
And the people who think that genuinely think it’s the rest of us who are stupid lmao
It’s like you’re addicted to misrepresenting people’s argument
My apologies, I must have misunderstood.
In that case, the best way to ensure a politician who supports a certain cause comes along is to conditionally support politicians only when they support said cause.
Do you want the genocide that will take a century, or the genocide that will take a few weeks to months.
The lefts goal is to stop the genocide, in either scenario, but it seems like a much harder thing to do under the latter option.
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An important part of my response that you seem to have missed.
Essentially, stopping the genocide is multi-stage process, but that’s (apparently) a very complicated thing for you to understand, so instead you just gave up and accepted defeat.
And not just accepted defeat, but used that defeat to feel morally superior to those that didn’t stop fighting, that recognized that Palestinian liberation would require more than just voting in the presidential election. That voting was the just the bare minimum requirement of the task at hand.
People like you are idiots and will always share some of the responsibility for what this white-christo facist regime inflicts on the world.
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Vaguely said ‘similar’ with 0 details
Your ipad addled brain is filling in the details with whatever imaginary facts produce the most cortisol for you.
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We overwhelmingly did not support the sending of weapons to Israel and they were sent there anyways, so your strategy was ineffective and was demonstrated to you as ineffective for over a year.
Do you understand?
Source:
Citations: [1] Nearly half of Democrats disapprove of Biden’s response to … - PBS https://www.pbs.org/newshour/politics/nearly-half-of-democrats-disapprove-of-bidens-response-to-the-israel-hamas-war-poll-shows [2] Majority of Biden voters oppose weapons shipments to Israel, poll says https://www.politico.com/news/2024/03/05/israel-gaza-poll-voters-biden-00144976 [3] Poll: Dems divided over Biden’s handling of Israel-Hamas war https://spectrumlocalnews.com/nys/central-ny/politics/2024/05/16/president-biden-s-approval-rating-dips-over-response-to-israel-gaza-war [4] The Democrats who flipped on Israel aid, and why https://responsiblestatecraft.org/democrats-voted-for-israel-aid/ [5] Poll: Majority of Americans Say Biden Should Halt Weapons … - CEPR https://cepr.net/newsroom/poll-majority-of-americans-say-biden-should-halt-weapons-shipments-to-israel/ [6] The data that explains Biden’s new Israel red line https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2024/05/10/data-that-explains-bidens-new-israel-red-line/ [7] Majority in U.S. Now Disapprove of Israeli Action in Gaza - Gallup poll https://news.gallup.com/poll/642695/majority-disapprove-israeli-action-gaza.aspx [8] Poll: Most Democrats prefer presidential candidate who won’t back … https://www.timesofisrael.com/poll-most-democrats-prefer-presidential-candidate-who-wont-back-israel-military-aid/ [9] Most Americans disapprove of Biden’s handling of Israel-Hamas war https://www.cbsnews.com/news/most-americans-disapprove-biden-handling-israel-hamas-war-poll-2023-12-10/
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Slower means more people are alive. More time for change.
they could have shut up and never expressed emotion or dissent at the deplorable level of dignity stripping they were subject to.
that’s the genuine answer. that’s what white liberals would have preferred.
and now they are getting shouted down by those liberals for still advocating for their own rights. many still even voted harris. it’s truly heartbreaking. america is so racist even the rise of fascism is blamed on brown people.