I’m not sure the best place to post this, but I would like to say I do regret this comment.
My honest intention was to make a provocative post that would generate a discussion on ethics and morality in the age of Luigi and Elon. My intention was to lay out a hypothetical scenario “if anyone wants to become a hero…” but with sober hindsight I now see how my words could be misconstrued into a call for violence, and that is deeply regrettable.
I was recently prescribed a new muscle relaxant for my rheumatoid arthritis, and I mixed it with a couple alcoholic drinks for the first time. The result was not some drastic change, but I did become unfiltered, sloppy, and inaccurate with my words, and I will not be making this mistake again.
In the future, I do intend to continue making provocative comments, but I am committing myself to no longer discussing violence in this context.
I appreacite your concern, but is there something substantial to fear?
I have not crossed the line into credible death threats; this is first amendment protected speech. If I get a visit from the secret service I will consider it a win for having wasted their time.
And if Trump starts rounding up “online leftists agitators” or “antifa” or whatever to put in his concentration camps, I’ll probably already be in the camps for a different reason.
The og commented advocated killing children. We don’t keep that up here. The real cowards are the folks than post comments like that to sound edgy online
We kill children every day to achieve political goals. The problem is when you endorse it. What we have learned is that you first condemn it, then you do it any way, you achieve some goal and refuse to comment or spin it so it’s actual the other parties fault. This way there is no issue.
You were foolish to believe Trump would be any better after meeting privately with Netanyahu before the election and generally being a total racist piece of shit. But, here we are…
Why even bring gender or race into it? Harris would have been better for the Palestinians. Not great, not good, not even mediocre, but better than what we got.
Because a lot of people were excited at having a diverse person holding office…
It’s akin to pointing out a president who supports LGBTQ rights is still bombing poor, brown farmers…
How is a genocide better than a genocide? Is it because (Like Inwas trying to point out in my deleted comment) it’s a Black Woman doing the genocide instead of a Geriatric White Dude?
I fail to see any ethical difference between murdering children under conditions of “warfare” and murdering children via assassination. Both are equally horrific.
Vanishingly small? He has literally been using his child as a human shield since the UHC CEO was assassinated. The vanishingly small hypothetical is where it can be avoided.
This really is exactly like the excuse the IDF gives to kill Palestinians. They’re being used as human shields by Hamas, so it’s justifiable.
I have no idea how often the human shield is wrapped around his head, but I would imagine any shooter who does their homework would be able to find many hours in the day when the child is not physically attached to him.
The obvious difference between this and the IDF is that, in this case, we have an actual human shield. Anyone who is paying attention knows that the IDF “human shield” justification is just a lie to cover for their atrocities.
If there are human shields preventing your mission, eliminate them. The tree of liberty must be watered by the blood of tyrants and innocents. X ÆA-Xii is not an innocent child, he is a shoot-through.
That’s cool that you believe that edgelord shit, but around here we don’t endorse killing children for lemmy karma upvotes. Take that shit elsewhere.
Edit: and to all you downvoting because you agree with edgelord krono here: walk your talk. Give me your PayPal. I’ll wire you any money you need to accomplish your edgy online takes. I want to see how brave you are pointing a gun to an innocents child’s face.
I hate to admit it but damnit, they’re kinda right. At the core this really is a trolley problem. The whole point of the trolley problem is that it’s a moral dilemma.
It’s just feeling harder on y’all now, because now it’s more real. Sure right now it’s easier to not pull the lever, but if Trump and other oligarchs end up doing much worse things, would you regret not having pulled it?
The trolley problem was really always about revealing your values, and specifically if your morality chose the possible wellbeing of many over the few - even in tough situations. Because in real life, the choices aren’t usually “1 vs 3” random people, but something like “1 terrible, 1 innocent, and 8 bad people” vs “society at large”.
There is nothing inherently wrong with discussing the trolley problem. It comes up on a daily basis. So what?
When there is a direct call to action on an online forum to unalive someone by any means necessary even if it means killing innocent children then you better be ready to walk the talk or shut the fuck up. If you are so thirsty for the revolution, ill meet you at the front line but I want to see you there on day one. Otherwise, it’s just online meme edgelord shit for karma upvotes and nothing more. We both know these individuals that are so brave with their calls to actions would rather open netflix and watch the next ep of bridgerton after their bout of online memes. So brave.
Cmon man, let’s go. Let’s start the revolution. I wanna see you on the street tomorrow. Bring your guns. Cmon, let’s go! I’ll be there with you. You’re so brave. Let me find you at the front line first thing am.
Have you pulled it? Are you planning to pull it in the next few days? Because they keep doing worse things.
I am not suggesting anyone go out and kill because I have said many times here that you cannot solve systemic issues via assassination… but you and others keep suggesting this is necessary and then apparently expect other people to make the sacrifice on your behalf.
Edit: Sorry, downvoting me doesn’t change the fact that you want other people to risk their lives for your benefit. I wonder how many years you downvoters will sit around saying, “we need another Luigi.”
Oh yeah I already pulled a lever, but I pulled one many years ago by choosing to move to another country. And getting rid of my American citizenship (they charge taxes even if you don’t live there anymore).
This lever is now for Americans to pull.
That said, systemic assassination has been proven to be very effective at changing things in the past. Sometimes for the worst, sometimes for the better. That’s the gamble.
The issue is that such a tactic is really hard to pull off, because it needs to be focused more on those already in power rather than those who are power adjacent. Power adjacent people are best removed once power has been transferred.
Of course, this isn’t the only lever for people like you to pull. You can choose a peaceful option, like not paying taxes anymore, therefore not funding a fascist regime. Of course, regardless of your choice, the state will use some form of violence against you.
So no matter what, you’re choices are to risk your comfort, or to be complacent. Even something like leaving is sacrificing comfort. So, what will you choose, FlyingSquid? Or had you already chosen long ago, like I did?
I chose fleeing the country to save my daughter’s life. People tell me that makes me a coward for not being willing to sacrifice someone else’s life on my behalf.
I don’t think it is. I’ve lived there, and I get it. And if you’re not paying taxes to the US government, you’re technically doing more against them than probably 90% of Americans are.
Edginess has nothing to do with it. Valuing one innocent life over the millions of other innocent lives, if that’s the only realistic choice, is antisocial and selfish, and in reality makes someone responsible for the suffering of millions. It’s a horrible hypothetical, one which hopefully never comes up again in history, and one which is unlikely to manifest in reality, but one where the outcomes are as clear as day.
I say ‘again in history’ because this is similar to the dilemma facing revolutions which rose against monarchy, where killing the royal children would prevent monarchists from trying to violently reinstate the monarchy with a war that would kill even more people. (I don’t mean this to suggest nepo babies are inevitably going to follow their parent, even Elon’s own supplies a counter-example)
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I’m not sure the best place to post this, but I would like to say I do regret this comment.
My honest intention was to make a provocative post that would generate a discussion on ethics and morality in the age of Luigi and Elon. My intention was to lay out a hypothetical scenario “if anyone wants to become a hero…” but with sober hindsight I now see how my words could be misconstrued into a call for violence, and that is deeply regrettable.
I was recently prescribed a new muscle relaxant for my rheumatoid arthritis, and I mixed it with a couple alcoholic drinks for the first time. The result was not some drastic change, but I did become unfiltered, sloppy, and inaccurate with my words, and I will not be making this mistake again.
In the future, I do intend to continue making provocative comments, but I am committing myself to no longer discussing violence in this context.
My guy, if you keep posting like this you’re going to get a visit from the secret service
I appreacite your concern, but is there something substantial to fear?
I have not crossed the line into credible death threats; this is first amendment protected speech. If I get a visit from the secret service I will consider it a win for having wasted their time.
And if Trump starts rounding up “online leftists agitators” or “antifa” or whatever to put in his concentration camps, I’ll probably already be in the camps for a different reason.
lol of course .world deleted it. Cowards.
The og commented advocated killing children. We don’t keep that up here. The real cowards are the folks than post comments like that to sound edgy online
Really hope they’re posting from Venuzuela or Antarctica or orbit rn.
Did… You just endorse shooting a child to achieve your goal? Are the mods awake???
No gods no masters no mods because they’re very sleepy rn
We kill children every day to achieve political goals. The problem is when you endorse it. What we have learned is that you first condemn it, then you do it any way, you achieve some goal and refuse to comment or spin it so it’s actual the other parties fault. This way there is no issue.
Not to get all Jordan Peterson on you but who is “we”? What “political goals”? I have no idea what you’re saying
is it not parody?
They appear not to be, but I am trying to inform them.
Every “voot bloo no matter hoo” person says the same thing…
I don’t know who you’re talking about here because we’ve been plenty critical of Biden’s genocide support. Did you wake up yesterday?
So critical that anyone whom decided not to vote for a genocider is blamed for Trump today, rather than blaming the Dems for supporting genocide?
You were foolish to believe Trump would be any better after meeting privately with Netanyahu before the election and generally being a total racist piece of shit. But, here we are…
I never considered Trump to be anything other than a fascist piece of shit.
And, regardless of who won, Palestinians are still being genocided…
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Why even bring gender or race into it? Harris would have been better for the Palestinians. Not great, not good, not even mediocre, but better than what we got.
Because a lot of people were excited at having a diverse person holding office…
It’s akin to pointing out a president who supports LGBTQ rights is still bombing poor, brown farmers…
How is a genocide better than a genocide? Is it because (Like Inwas trying to point out in my deleted comment) it’s a Black Woman doing the genocide instead of a Geriatric White Dude?
Heroes do not murder children.
I consider the Soviets and Americans who defeated the Nazis to be heroes, and they murdered a whole heap of children.
Only Sith deal in absolutes.
That isn’t murder, that’s warfare.
This person suggested shooting through a four-year-old to assassinate Elon Musk.
So that’s who’s back you have right now.
I fail to see any ethical difference between murdering children under conditions of “warfare” and murdering children via assassination. Both are equally horrific.
And yet you think someone who shoots through a four-year-old child to assassinate Elon Musk is heroic.
I think an ethical shooter would take every reasonable precaution to avoid hitting the human shield.
But in the vanishingly small hypothetical where it could not be avoided, then I would still consider the shooter a hero, yes.
Vanishingly small? He has literally been using his child as a human shield since the UHC CEO was assassinated. The vanishingly small hypothetical is where it can be avoided.
This really is exactly like the excuse the IDF gives to kill Palestinians. They’re being used as human shields by Hamas, so it’s justifiable.
I have no idea how often the human shield is wrapped around his head, but I would imagine any shooter who does their homework would be able to find many hours in the day when the child is not physically attached to him.
The obvious difference between this and the IDF is that, in this case, we have an actual human shield. Anyone who is paying attention knows that the IDF “human shield” justification is just a lie to cover for their atrocities.
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stfu
No u
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Did anyone that upvoted this see this line? WTF:
Nothing WTF about it, the trolley problem math is overwhelming. If you can kill one person to save a million, it is immoral to abstain.
If you won’t kill the king because his child prince is an innocent, then you will be a peasant forever.
You’re already talking about killing more than one person.
And if it’s so immoral to abstain, why are you abstaining?
That’s cool that you believe that edgelord shit, but around here we don’t endorse killing children for lemmy karma upvotes. Take that shit elsewhere.
Edit: and to all you downvoting because you agree with edgelord krono here: walk your talk. Give me your PayPal. I’ll wire you any money you need to accomplish your edgy online takes. I want to see how brave you are pointing a gun to an innocents child’s face.
Fucking scum.
I hate to admit it but damnit, they’re kinda right. At the core this really is a trolley problem. The whole point of the trolley problem is that it’s a moral dilemma.
It’s just feeling harder on y’all now, because now it’s more real. Sure right now it’s easier to not pull the lever, but if Trump and other oligarchs end up doing much worse things, would you regret not having pulled it?
The trolley problem was really always about revealing your values, and specifically if your morality chose the possible wellbeing of many over the few - even in tough situations. Because in real life, the choices aren’t usually “1 vs 3” random people, but something like “1 terrible, 1 innocent, and 8 bad people” vs “society at large”.
There is nothing inherently wrong with discussing the trolley problem. It comes up on a daily basis. So what?
When there is a direct call to action on an online forum to unalive someone by any means necessary even if it means killing innocent children then you better be ready to walk the talk or shut the fuck up. If you are so thirsty for the revolution, ill meet you at the front line but I want to see you there on day one. Otherwise, it’s just online meme edgelord shit for karma upvotes and nothing more. We both know these individuals that are so brave with their calls to actions would rather open netflix and watch the next ep of bridgerton after their bout of online memes. So brave.
coward bootlicker
Cmon man, let’s go. Let’s start the revolution. I wanna see you on the street tomorrow. Bring your guns. Cmon, let’s go! I’ll be there with you. You’re so brave. Let me find you at the front line first thing am.
No?
Shut the fuck up
Have you pulled it? Are you planning to pull it in the next few days? Because they keep doing worse things.
I am not suggesting anyone go out and kill because I have said many times here that you cannot solve systemic issues via assassination… but you and others keep suggesting this is necessary and then apparently expect other people to make the sacrifice on your behalf.
Edit: Sorry, downvoting me doesn’t change the fact that you want other people to risk their lives for your benefit. I wonder how many years you downvoters will sit around saying, “we need another Luigi.”
Oh yeah I already pulled a lever, but I pulled one many years ago by choosing to move to another country. And getting rid of my American citizenship (they charge taxes even if you don’t live there anymore).
This lever is now for Americans to pull.
That said, systemic assassination has been proven to be very effective at changing things in the past. Sometimes for the worst, sometimes for the better. That’s the gamble.
The issue is that such a tactic is really hard to pull off, because it needs to be focused more on those already in power rather than those who are power adjacent. Power adjacent people are best removed once power has been transferred.
Of course, this isn’t the only lever for people like you to pull. You can choose a peaceful option, like not paying taxes anymore, therefore not funding a fascist regime. Of course, regardless of your choice, the state will use some form of violence against you.
So no matter what, you’re choices are to risk your comfort, or to be complacent. Even something like leaving is sacrificing comfort. So, what will you choose, FlyingSquid? Or had you already chosen long ago, like I did?
I chose fleeing the country to save my daughter’s life. People tell me that makes me a coward for not being willing to sacrifice someone else’s life on my behalf.
I don’t think it is. I’ve lived there, and I get it. And if you’re not paying taxes to the US government, you’re technically doing more against them than probably 90% of Americans are.
then stfu. you don’t live here any more.
stfu loser
Edginess has nothing to do with it. Valuing one innocent life over the millions of other innocent lives, if that’s the only realistic choice, is antisocial and selfish, and in reality makes someone responsible for the suffering of millions. It’s a horrible hypothetical, one which hopefully never comes up again in history, and one which is unlikely to manifest in reality, but one where the outcomes are as clear as day.
I say ‘again in history’ because this is similar to the dilemma facing revolutions which rose against monarchy, where killing the royal children would prevent monarchists from trying to violently reinstate the monarchy with a war that would kill even more people. (I don’t mean this to suggest nepo babies are inevitably going to follow their parent, even Elon’s own supplies a counter-example)
In a lecture hall of a philosophy class? Sure. It’s the trolley problem. Big deal?
On an online forum call to action it’s just an edgelord trying to meme their way into a conversation because they have nothing else to contribute.
stfu
No u
If it is the only realistic choice, why is everyone here waiting for someone else to do it?
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Is this a bot?
post your address, loser
That’s hardly true. Lots of people get up votes saying we needed to kill Palestinian kids, if it meant Harris getting elected.
I sure hope they didn’t. My faith in humanity drops to new lows daily, though.
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No, every single person would be a ‘thousandaire’.
383,000,000,000 divided by 335,000,000 is 1,143 dollars per person.
That’s what I get for leaving my phone unlocked.