If there are human shields preventing your mission, eliminate them. The tree of liberty must be watered by the blood of tyrants and innocents. X ÆA-Xii is not an innocent child, he is a shoot-through.
That’s cool that you believe that edgelord shit, but around here we don’t endorse killing children for lemmy karma upvotes. Take that shit elsewhere.
Edit: and to all you downvoting because you agree with edgelord krono here: walk your talk. Give me your PayPal. I’ll wire you any money you need to accomplish your edgy online takes. I want to see how brave you are pointing a gun to an innocents child’s face.
I hate to admit it but damnit, they’re kinda right. At the core this really is a trolley problem. The whole point of the trolley problem is that it’s a moral dilemma.
It’s just feeling harder on y’all now, because now it’s more real. Sure right now it’s easier to not pull the lever, but if Trump and other oligarchs end up doing much worse things, would you regret not having pulled it?
The trolley problem was really always about revealing your values, and specifically if your morality chose the possible wellbeing of many over the few - even in tough situations. Because in real life, the choices aren’t usually “1 vs 3” random people, but something like “1 terrible, 1 innocent, and 8 bad people” vs “society at large”.
There is nothing inherently wrong with discussing the trolley problem. It comes up on a daily basis. So what?
When there is a direct call to action on an online forum to unalive someone by any means necessary even if it means killing innocent children then you better be ready to walk the talk or shut the fuck up. If you are so thirsty for the revolution, ill meet you at the front line but I want to see you there on day one. Otherwise, it’s just online meme edgelord shit for karma upvotes and nothing more. We both know these individuals that are so brave with their calls to actions would rather open netflix and watch the next ep of bridgerton after their bout of online memes. So brave.
Cmon man, let’s go. Let’s start the revolution. I wanna see you on the street tomorrow. Bring your guns. Cmon, let’s go! I’ll be there with you. You’re so brave. Let me find you at the front line first thing am.
Have you pulled it? Are you planning to pull it in the next few days? Because they keep doing worse things.
I am not suggesting anyone go out and kill because I have said many times here that you cannot solve systemic issues via assassination… but you and others keep suggesting this is necessary and then apparently expect other people to make the sacrifice on your behalf.
Edit: Sorry, downvoting me doesn’t change the fact that you want other people to risk their lives for your benefit. I wonder how many years you downvoters will sit around saying, “we need another Luigi.”
Oh yeah I already pulled a lever, but I pulled one many years ago by choosing to move to another country. And getting rid of my American citizenship (they charge taxes even if you don’t live there anymore).
This lever is now for Americans to pull.
That said, systemic assassination has been proven to be very effective at changing things in the past. Sometimes for the worst, sometimes for the better. That’s the gamble.
The issue is that such a tactic is really hard to pull off, because it needs to be focused more on those already in power rather than those who are power adjacent. Power adjacent people are best removed once power has been transferred.
Of course, this isn’t the only lever for people like you to pull. You can choose a peaceful option, like not paying taxes anymore, therefore not funding a fascist regime. Of course, regardless of your choice, the state will use some form of violence against you.
So no matter what, you’re choices are to risk your comfort, or to be complacent. Even something like leaving is sacrificing comfort. So, what will you choose, FlyingSquid? Or had you already chosen long ago, like I did?
I chose fleeing the country to save my daughter’s life. People tell me that makes me a coward for not being willing to sacrifice someone else’s life on my behalf.
I don’t think it is. I’ve lived there, and I get it. And if you’re not paying taxes to the US government, you’re technically doing more against them than probably 90% of Americans are.
Thank you. I wish other people got it because I’m really getting tired of being called a coward because I don’t want to risk my daughter being part of the queer genocide snowball that’s rolling down hill.
Edginess has nothing to do with it. Valuing one innocent life over the millions of other innocent lives, if that’s the only realistic choice, is antisocial and selfish, and in reality makes someone responsible for the suffering of millions. It’s a horrible hypothetical, one which hopefully never comes up again in history, and one which is unlikely to manifest in reality, but one where the outcomes are as clear as day.
I say ‘again in history’ because this is similar to the dilemma facing revolutions which rose against monarchy, where killing the royal children would prevent monarchists from trying to violently reinstate the monarchy with a war that would kill even more people. (I don’t mean this to suggest nepo babies are inevitably going to follow their parent, even Elon’s own supplies a counter-example)
Did anyone that upvoted this see this line? WTF:
Nothing WTF about it, the trolley problem math is overwhelming. If you can kill one person to save a million, it is immoral to abstain.
If you won’t kill the king because his child prince is an innocent, then you will be a peasant forever.
That’s cool that you believe that edgelord shit, but around here we don’t endorse killing children for lemmy karma upvotes. Take that shit elsewhere.
Edit: and to all you downvoting because you agree with edgelord krono here: walk your talk. Give me your PayPal. I’ll wire you any money you need to accomplish your edgy online takes. I want to see how brave you are pointing a gun to an innocents child’s face.
Fucking scum.
I hate to admit it but damnit, they’re kinda right. At the core this really is a trolley problem. The whole point of the trolley problem is that it’s a moral dilemma.
It’s just feeling harder on y’all now, because now it’s more real. Sure right now it’s easier to not pull the lever, but if Trump and other oligarchs end up doing much worse things, would you regret not having pulled it?
The trolley problem was really always about revealing your values, and specifically if your morality chose the possible wellbeing of many over the few - even in tough situations. Because in real life, the choices aren’t usually “1 vs 3” random people, but something like “1 terrible, 1 innocent, and 8 bad people” vs “society at large”.
There is nothing inherently wrong with discussing the trolley problem. It comes up on a daily basis. So what?
When there is a direct call to action on an online forum to unalive someone by any means necessary even if it means killing innocent children then you better be ready to walk the talk or shut the fuck up. If you are so thirsty for the revolution, ill meet you at the front line but I want to see you there on day one. Otherwise, it’s just online meme edgelord shit for karma upvotes and nothing more. We both know these individuals that are so brave with their calls to actions would rather open netflix and watch the next ep of bridgerton after their bout of online memes. So brave.
coward bootlicker
Cmon man, let’s go. Let’s start the revolution. I wanna see you on the street tomorrow. Bring your guns. Cmon, let’s go! I’ll be there with you. You’re so brave. Let me find you at the front line first thing am.
No?
Shut the fuck up
Have you pulled it? Are you planning to pull it in the next few days? Because they keep doing worse things.
I am not suggesting anyone go out and kill because I have said many times here that you cannot solve systemic issues via assassination… but you and others keep suggesting this is necessary and then apparently expect other people to make the sacrifice on your behalf.
Edit: Sorry, downvoting me doesn’t change the fact that you want other people to risk their lives for your benefit. I wonder how many years you downvoters will sit around saying, “we need another Luigi.”
Oh yeah I already pulled a lever, but I pulled one many years ago by choosing to move to another country. And getting rid of my American citizenship (they charge taxes even if you don’t live there anymore).
This lever is now for Americans to pull.
That said, systemic assassination has been proven to be very effective at changing things in the past. Sometimes for the worst, sometimes for the better. That’s the gamble.
The issue is that such a tactic is really hard to pull off, because it needs to be focused more on those already in power rather than those who are power adjacent. Power adjacent people are best removed once power has been transferred.
Of course, this isn’t the only lever for people like you to pull. You can choose a peaceful option, like not paying taxes anymore, therefore not funding a fascist regime. Of course, regardless of your choice, the state will use some form of violence against you.
So no matter what, you’re choices are to risk your comfort, or to be complacent. Even something like leaving is sacrificing comfort. So, what will you choose, FlyingSquid? Or had you already chosen long ago, like I did?
I chose fleeing the country to save my daughter’s life. People tell me that makes me a coward for not being willing to sacrifice someone else’s life on my behalf.
I don’t think it is. I’ve lived there, and I get it. And if you’re not paying taxes to the US government, you’re technically doing more against them than probably 90% of Americans are.
Thank you. I wish other people got it because I’m really getting tired of being called a coward because I don’t want to risk my daughter being part of the queer genocide snowball that’s rolling down hill.
then stfu. you don’t live here any more.
stfu loser
Edginess has nothing to do with it. Valuing one innocent life over the millions of other innocent lives, if that’s the only realistic choice, is antisocial and selfish, and in reality makes someone responsible for the suffering of millions. It’s a horrible hypothetical, one which hopefully never comes up again in history, and one which is unlikely to manifest in reality, but one where the outcomes are as clear as day.
I say ‘again in history’ because this is similar to the dilemma facing revolutions which rose against monarchy, where killing the royal children would prevent monarchists from trying to violently reinstate the monarchy with a war that would kill even more people. (I don’t mean this to suggest nepo babies are inevitably going to follow their parent, even Elon’s own supplies a counter-example)
In a lecture hall of a philosophy class? Sure. It’s the trolley problem. Big deal?
On an online forum call to action it’s just an edgelord trying to meme their way into a conversation because they have nothing else to contribute.
stfu
No u
If it is the only realistic choice, why is everyone here waiting for someone else to do it?
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Is this a bot?
post your address, loser
That’s hardly true. Lots of people get up votes saying we needed to kill Palestinian kids, if it meant Harris getting elected.
You’re already talking about killing more than one person.
And if it’s so immoral to abstain, why are you abstaining?
I sure hope they didn’t. My faith in humanity drops to new lows daily, though.