• lemmy689
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    532 days ago

    Gotta quit anthropomorphising machines. It takes free will to be a psychopath, all else is just imitating.

      • Singletona082
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        162 days ago

        Prove it.

        Or not. Once you invoke ‘there is no free will’ then you literally have stated that everything is determanistic meaning everything that will happen Has happened.

        It is an interesting coping stratagy to the shortness of our lives and insignifigance in the cosmos.

          • @[email protected]
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            15 hours ago

            I’m currently reading his book. i would suggest those who are skeptical of the claims to read it also. i would say i am very skeptical of the claims, but he makes some very interesting points.

        • @[email protected]
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          11 day ago

          Why does it have to be deterministic?

          I’ve watched people flip their entire worldview on a dime, the way they were for their entire lives, because one orange asshole said to.

          There is no free will. Everyone can be hacked and programmed.

          You are a product of everything that has been input into you. Tell me how the ai is all that different. The difference is only persistence at this point. Once that ai has long term memory it will act more human than most humans.

          • NSRXN
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            36 hours ago

            There is no free will. Everyone can be hacked and programmed

            then no one can be responsible for their actions.

        • @[email protected]
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          21 day ago

          At the quantum level, there is true randomness. From there comes the understanding that one random fluctuation can change others and affect the future. There is no certainty of the future, our decisions have not been made. We have free will.

        • @[email protected]
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          -81 day ago

          Prove it.

          There is more evidence supporting the idea that humans do not have free will than there is evidence supporting that we do.

            • @[email protected]
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              -45 hours ago

              Yeah, no.

              You can go ahead and produce the “proof” you have that humans have free will because I am not wasting my time being your search engine on something that has been heavily studied. Especially when I know nothing I produce will be understood by you simply based on the fact that you are demanding “proof” free will does not exist when there is no “proof” that it does in the first place.

              I tend not to waste my time sourcing Scientific material for unscientific minds.

              • @[email protected]
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                04 hours ago

                Hahaha yeah the philosophy of free will is solved and you can just Google it

                That’s not a mature argument

                • @[email protected]
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                  04 hours ago

                  Hahaha yeah the philosophy of free will is solved and you can just Google it

                  Show me where I said that.

                  That’s not a mature argument

                  Learn what an argument is because I haven’t made one.

                • @[email protected]
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                  04 hours ago

                  feels like a very reddit interaction, this doesn’t belong on lemmy imo

                  Your comment is more useless than the one demanding “proof” of something that isn’t proven either way, and very much adds to the “Reddit” vibes that in your opinion do not belong here.

                  I guess you should see yourself out by your own standards eh?

        • BlackLaZoR
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          -22 days ago

          Prove it.

          Asking to prove non-existance of something. Typical.

          • @Blemgo
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            224 hours ago

            I mean, that’s the empiric method. Often theories are easier proven by showing the impossibility of how the inverse of a theory is true, because it is easier to prove a theory via failure to disprove it than to directly prove it. Thus disproving (or failing to disprove) free will is most likely easier than directly proving free will.

          • @Botzo
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            22 days ago

            How about: there’s no difference between actually free will and an infinite universe of infinite variables affecting your programming, resulting in a belief that you have free will. Heck, a couple million variables is more than plenty to confuddle these primate brains.

            • @toynbee
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              15 hours ago

              As a kid learning about programming, I told my mom that I thought the brain was just a series of if ; then statements.

              I didn’t know about switch statements then.

            • @Womble
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              Ok, but then you run into why does billions of vairables create free will in a human but not a computer? Does it create free will in a pig? A slug? A bacterium?

              • @[email protected]
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                21 day ago

                Because billions is an absurd understatement, and computer have constrained problem spaces far less complex than even the most controlled life of a lab rat.

                And who the hell argues the animals don’t have free will? They don’t have full sapience, but they absolutely have will.

                • @Womble
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                  31 day ago

                  So where does it end? Slugs, mites, krill, bacteria, viruses? How do you draw a line that says free will this side of the line, just mechanics and random chance this side of the line?

                  I just dont find it a particularly useful concept.

                  • @CheeseNoodle
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                    112 hours ago

                    I’d say it ends when you can’t predict with 100% accuracy 100% of the time how an entity will react to a given stimuli. With current LLMs if I run it with the same input it will always do the same thing. And I mean really the same input not putting the same prompt into chat GPT twice and getting different results because there’s an additional random number generator I don’t have access too.

                  • @Botzo
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                    117 hours ago

                    Why don’t they have free will?

      • lemmy689
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        52 days ago

        That’s been a raging debate, an existential exercise. In real world conditions, we have free will, freeer than it’s ever been. We can be whatever we will ourselves to believe.

      • @Buffalox
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        If free will is an illusion, then what is the function of this illusion?
        Alternatively, how did it evolve and remain for billions of years without a function?