Ngl this is what every single one of you fucking liberals calling me out about my substandard research practices makes me feel .
Ngl this is what every single one of you fucking liberals calling me out about my substandard research practices makes me feel .
Sounds super real and like it definitely happened
Whenever I see a story that seems far fetched, I try to think about it more broadly.
Was it a NYT reporter who hadn’t heard of Jim Crow laws? Maybe, could’ve been a nobody intern who grew up in the South. Besides that, I fully believe this conversation has occurred with an ignorant person, if not a NYT reporter.
I would expect somebody who grew up in the South to be more likely to have heard about Jim Crow than somebody who grew up in some supermajority-white place like the mountain west or whatever.
Hey that’s where I’m from. But even I remember touching on Jim Crow laws in grade school, and coming back to it in more depth in highschool. So I don’t mean to be the “nothing’s real on the Internet” guy, but I do find it hard to believe that the term “Jim Crow” didn’t even ring a bell for the reporter. But idk, there’s lots of stupid people in high places, so I won’t doubt that it happened either.
My thinking was the people in the South would be more likely to have learned a “toned down” version, and less likely to remember details.
Definitely just my personal experience from living in Oklahoma, idk if like Alabama or Mississippi are the same.
I grew up partially in the absolute middle of nowhere texas. We still learned about jim crow there.
Oklahoma here, we definitely learned about it too.
But take like the Tulsa Race Massacre. I grew up hearing it called the Tulsa Race Riots, but I don’t recall ever being taught about it in school, I heard about it from my parents. I still didn’t really know much about it until several years ago. I literally grew up in Tulsa lol.
Edit: not to say I believe the story. But I think it’s possible. I heard about the Massacre from my stepmom, who did a paper on it in college (mid 80s), and apparently had trouble finding a lot of different source material at the library.
That doesn’t mean it’s not true. From my school days, I remember heated shouting matches with other students who insisted that our teacher definitely never ever taught us “specific thing X” which they definitely did the week before, while I knew for a fact that the person I was arguing with had sat one row behind me in that very class.
My, admittedly very arcane, point was that its more of a social issue rather than a school curriculum issue, and so when you say ots because of the south and implying they werent ever attempted to be taught, it puts pressure on the wrong people. I actually think the OP likely happened
It can also be a curriculum issue. For example, and for clarity sake I’m not American, I could say I was taught socialism in school. Some might call it a pretty progressive topic to teach, however if we get into the details it comes out very differently. What I was taught wasn’t socialism but rather the vague history of socialism culminating with the idea that socialism doesn’t work. More specifically I was taught there was this guy called Marx (and Engels) who came up with a labor theory (no actual information about what the theory contained) . Marx died before he could finish his work. Engels finished some of his work but Marx’s theory was continued by Lenin. Lenin started the USSR and then Lenin died. Stalin took over, then we got WW2, cold war, Stalin died, era of stagnation, Afghan war, Chernobyl and the fall of the USSR - clearly socialism doesn’t work.
Nothing factually wrong was taught but also nothing about actual socialism was taught. I’m sure the same could be done about Jim Crow laws, where you acknowledge something happened but then clearly gloss over all the horrific details.
But there is a very specific agenda here. So say to people who already think that the NYT is bad, that the NYT employs people without even the slightest understanding of history. I highly doubt this happened.
Don’t downvote people for being skeptical on the internet folks, we want to encourage it.
Am I doing that? Seems to me like that’s getting done to me.
Yeah I was reacting to you getting downvotes.
Correct, it’s good to be skeptical
Maybe your trust of this institution is severely miss placed.
https://www.techdirt.com/2024/10/28/ny-times-gets-230-wrong-again-misrepresenting-history-law-and-the-first-amendment/
When I went looking for this there’s MANY more.
Yes if I don’t believe something very extreme, I must believe its precise opposite. NYT is my God, and all.
…So, you think her story is too unbelievable, that the NYT would never do such a thing, and that she made it up to push a specific agenda?
Hm…
Yes, I too am sure of every idea I have