Hamas came to power after winning an election in 2006. Palestinian civilians are involved in Hamas in the same way American civilians are involved in Trump - not completely responsible, but certainly not completely innocent.
They won a slim majority in 2006 and then swiftly culled Fatah (and PA) opposition and killed a bunch of journalists too. They haven’t had elections since, and a significant portion of the people in Gaza are under 18 years of age… so no they didn’t ask for it.
They also didn’t ask to get forced into the concentration camp that is the Gaza Strip by the Israeli state, Plan Dalet, and the Haganah. If you read the history of Palestine > British Mandate > Israel, it shouldn’t be a surprise that there’s a desperate resistance that formed, horrific actions aside.
Trump won by a slim margin too, and is currently seizing control. If the US doesn’t have an election in the next 15 years, do the American people have zero responsibility for what its future government might do?
Zero responsibility, no; many did vote for him , but significantly more didn’t. If you want to hunt down the people who voted for him, sure, but I voted against him in every election knowing something like this would happen, and I’m not responsible for it. The same can be said of a significant amount of Americans. To lump us all together would be like bombing a hospital full of innocent victims to get at some members of Hamas.
as jaderick already pointed out, around 50% of gazans are 18 or younger. if the usa was involved in a conflict that killed basically everyone who originally voted for fascists over those 15 years, you would have a point.
or are you actually trying to make people responsible for a vote that they didnt partake in due to their lack of… existence?
My disparaging response comes from arguing with dipshits on Reddit about Israel who will only accept Likud party propaganda as the only credible source.
Indeed and after Hamas won the election instead of the Israeli backed PA, Israel imposed an illegal blockade on Gaza forcing Palestinians to fight back.
It was not Hamas who brought poverty and starvation upon Palestinians. It was Israel.
Hamas came to power after winning an election in 2006.
And that election happened in a complete vacuum… No need to add context to why Palestinians in 06’ would be voting for Hamas.
Also 2006 was nearly 20 years ago, the vast majority of the people who voted for Hamas are dead or have migrated away. 50% of the population in Gaza are under 18.
civilians are the most involved in this conflict. don’t see how they’re absolutely awful
In this context, “being involved” means actively taking part, not merely being in the area.
I think being genocided counts as being involved. It seems kind of disgusting to suggest otherwise.
Hamas came to power after winning an election in 2006. Palestinian civilians are involved in Hamas in the same way American civilians are involved in Trump - not completely responsible, but certainly not completely innocent.
They won a slim majority in 2006 and then swiftly culled Fatah (and PA) opposition and killed a bunch of journalists too. They haven’t had elections since, and a significant portion of the people in Gaza are under 18 years of age… so no they didn’t ask for it.
They also didn’t ask to get forced into the concentration camp that is the Gaza Strip by the Israeli state, Plan Dalet, and the Haganah. If you read the history of Palestine > British Mandate > Israel, it shouldn’t be a surprise that there’s a desperate resistance that formed, horrific actions aside.
Adding links:
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Plan_Dalet
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mandate_for_Palestine
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gaza_Strip_under_Hamas
I’m very aware of the history.
Trump won by a slim margin too, and is currently seizing control. If the US doesn’t have an election in the next 15 years, do the American people have zero responsibility for what its future government might do?
Zero responsibility, no; many did vote for him , but significantly more didn’t. If you want to hunt down the people who voted for him, sure, but I voted against him in every election knowing something like this would happen, and I’m not responsible for it. The same can be said of a significant amount of Americans. To lump us all together would be like bombing a hospital full of innocent victims to get at some members of Hamas.
as jaderick already pointed out, around 50% of gazans are 18 or younger. if the usa was involved in a conflict that killed basically everyone who originally voted for fascists over those 15 years, you would have a point.
or are you actually trying to make people responsible for a vote that they didnt partake in due to their lack of… existence?
My disparaging response comes from arguing with dipshits on Reddit about Israel who will only accept Likud party propaganda as the only credible source.
Indeed and after Hamas won the election instead of the Israeli backed PA, Israel imposed an illegal blockade on Gaza forcing Palestinians to fight back.
It was not Hamas who brought poverty and starvation upon Palestinians. It was Israel.
And that election happened in a complete vacuum… No need to add context to why Palestinians in 06’ would be voting for Hamas.
Also 2006 was nearly 20 years ago, the vast majority of the people who voted for Hamas are dead or have migrated away. 50% of the population in Gaza are under 18.