More than 10,000 people turned out for a rally with U.S. Sen. Bernie Sanders (I-Vt), in Warren as part of his national “Fighting Oligarchy” tour.
More than 10,000 people turned out for a rally with U.S. Sen. Bernie Sanders (I-Vt), in Warren as part of his national “Fighting Oligarchy” tour.
When is Harris’ anti-oligarchy rally? Obama’s? LOL, Pelosi’s? Why the fuck does this one guy who should be retiring on a beach somewhere have to keep dragging the entire Democratic party? I love Bernie, but it’s beyond pathetic that after all these years it’s still his job.
They’re protecting their capital.
Never. They are the oligarchy.
Because none of those other people want to. The only reason they even allow Bernie to do as much as he does is to placate progressive liberals, if they didn’t folks might start figuring out that reform doesn’t work.
In all fairness, Harris’s political ambitions are over. She lost to Trump, she should probably just stay out of politics now.
She’s saying she might run for Cali governor…
[screaming]
When is yours? Why is the “dragging” mentioned by you while others are doing more than you?
Any of the people they mentioned would have massively more influence than a random Lemmy poster.
You mean supporters of ThE GeNoCiDe???
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Opposition party doesn’t get to sleep when they are the minority or voted out. It’s their job to rally and agitate. That they do not means they are actually okay with what is happening
Louder for the people who complain “If you wanted the Democrats to fight back, why did you vote them out?”
Yes, so now they’ve lost they just tell the country “Fuck you. Told you so!”.
GP is asking why have they stopped fighting.
It’s astounding how thoroughly the Democrats have convinced you that absolutely nothing is ever their fault. They are just fellow victims of a declining society that they had absolutely no hand in creating. Unbelievable.
It wasn’t just the establishment issuing warnings. The left has been telling the Democratic establishment for decades that they were leading us here, even before we knew his name would be Trump. Neoliberals disregarded the flashing danger signs over and over again.
Where we are now isn’t because of a single election. Do you think the Democrats were going to win every election forever? Do you think the Republicans were going to get any nicer? This war has been raging for over 50 years and you’re obsessing over one battle. Kamala and the rest of the establishment earned this outcome.
Wait we knew we’d have a Trump one day?
Mayyyyyyy need* to be filled in on a smidge of like pre-Obama history
* ever so kindly request!
Not eho you asked but I think I know where they’re coming from.
Broadly speaking, Democrats have not been calling out Republicans for their actually radicalized speech and actions. Have done far far far too little to stop right wing violence and hate groups. The dems have only nominally been an opposition party and only served as a temporary stop on the overton flywheel the republicans crank like a meth head at every opportunity.
If by “their part” you mean throw away the most winnable presidential election in history by sticking to pro-corporate party orthodoxy from 1992 in spite of two thirds of their base imploring them not to, then yes. They sure did their part.
No way, two-thirds of us?
Do you remember when you saw that figure or where it might have been?
Also who was path to the win, Kamala but dressed differently? (Smart ethical kind popular people, why would they get into politics - so instead we have to try to get the mediocre interested in political life? is that accurate?)
Not worth courting, evidently. But at least you got Dick Cheney.
Isn’t it 1.5% for the popular vote for the whole country or just winning the right swing states would have taken 1.5% more votes?
Edit: see my analysis down there, she needed an extra 0.15% votes in her favor, she just needed those votes in three States, the 1.5% number is for the National vote which has no influence on who becomes president, as we’ve seen when Trump won while Hillary got 2.1% more votes.
Ohhh that’s really interesting thanks
The actual swing states all went Republican so they’re in red. There’s a bunch of combinations for an Harris win (electoral college went R312, D226) but Pennsylvania + Michigan + Wisconsin = Harris win, D270, R268 and it’s the option with the closest results in %
If we look at the results in those states she needed 80k votes in Michigan, 120k votes in Pennsylvania and 30k views in Wisconsin.
That’s 230k votes that were missing for her to win.
155 238 302 votes in total With the 230k votes that were missing added to that it’s 155 468 302 votes, which is 0.15% more votes than the current total.
That’s how close this race got if we look at the electoral system and compare it to the total votes. But obviously per swing states the % is different…
All of that to say, the 1.5% number is for the National vote, which doesn’t have any influence in US elections.
Wow thank you - super interesting dive
which is still the highest margin since 2016. IIRC it was less than 150K for 2016 and well below 100K for 2020.