This isn’t just about trans people in sports. He is giving his platform to bigots who are anti-trans people existing in hopes of getting their support in 2028. It’s gross.
“It’s a complicated issue that nobody seems to have a great idea on how to solve to make everyone happy as of yet, and we have bigger societal issues for Trans people that are more pressing than fucking sports. Like protecting their existence and making sure they aren’t further marginalized.”
Giving platforms to bigots make this much harder. Why give them greater access?
“Deplatforming” people is explicitly the reason why the far right has gained so much power. We used to bring the KKK to tv and they always embarrassed themselves. When you deplatform people you in fact send them to platforms where they can control the narrative, and where everyone agrees or won’t disagree with them (like Joe Rogan). Instead platform them and put them in a position in which they have to defend their views against someone who disagrees with them.
Forbidden ideology is as alluring as forbidden knowledge.
Im saying that shunning everyone from the right is giving the racists a platform, a stage and an audience in which they can still recruit more racist shitbags but without any opposition and even more disimformation.
They built an entire eco system under your noses, and they have as much reach and influence as the “mainstream” ecosystem. That would have never happened without this whole deplatforming people bullshit for even the smallest disagreement with the agenda mentality. This is why far right ideology is spreading more than ever. You cannot suppress ideology, when you do you only make it more appealing to the kind of people who are already susceptible to it.
You know there’s a difference between letting someone’s objectively garbage opinions watch adults do the right thing and validating those opinions on large platforms?
It’s not a difference in opinion anyway, it’s a huge lie fueled by high-octane hate. They aren’t serious people and are not coming to the table with any intention of talking in good faith. If they even slightly cared about reality they wouldn’t have these views and as the old saying goes “you can’t logic someone out of an argument they didn’t logic themselves into”.
The reason this has gone on for so long is because Americans are spineless and enable this behaviour. They are thoroughly afraid of upsetting the status quo and so the best they can do is weak centrism while validating and giving confidence to the worst people you know. It isn’t the right-wing echo chambers, those have always existed and will continue to exist, it’s the fact that the public at large allows those echo chambers to grow by doing literally nothing about it or even helping because “balance”.
OH AND ALSO the right owns most of the mainstream media, like the enormity that is FOX-FUCKING-NEWS, and loves to deplatform progressive opinions. They enact huge amounts of censorship all the time and consider words like “cisgender” a slur while asking for trans people to live in silence and fear. Don’t come in here acting like they’re poor little oppressed babies.
It’s not validating them it’s about not letting them fester in the shadows where they can create social unrest like they are doing now. And it is a difference in opinion in a few ways, like I don’t hate trans people but I for the life of me no matter what cannot state that trans women are the same as a assigned at birth women. The fact that I had to sit and think for a moment there about which words to use so that it cannot be twisted through rhetoric highlights that. I have no hate against trans people though, I’ve even been involved with one. But to say that they are the same? I can’t trick my brain that way especially if they don’t pass. So you might say that it is a fact that trans women are women, but due to the lack of hard scientific evidence of that (and of what my own two eyes tell me) Im just gonna call it an opinion and disagree with you.
Also the reason the echo chambers are allowed to grow is because you live in a country in which freedoms of expression is a right, an almost holy one one would think, so it’s legal to say whatever hateful thing you want and be a part of hate groups. It’s enshrined in the constitution and that’s not gonna change. There’s no legal basis to disrupt them unless they act on their rhetoric.
The best you can do is not let them control the narrative and give them the spotlight a little in places where they will meet resistance so they can embarrass themselves like they always do. We used to bring the KKK on tv and they basically stopped existing for a long while after that.
This idea that letting someone speak in a forum is validating their opinions is ridiculous and is the reason we are where we are.
Everyone is, which is why we kinda need to take a step back and maybe listen and even if we disagree on the conclusions you’ll find the root grievances to be the same.
Newsflash. In a democracy, the bigots still get to vote. And if there are more bigots than minorities then the bigots get to keep the minorities down. The minorities effectively need to convince the bigots to give them the rights. But this whole rhetoric is bs, trans people have equal rights, not equal acceptance into society, but the government can’t really force that.
No one who is in favor of trans women in sports, or for minors to have any form of hormonal treatment is gonna win an election and trust me that for a lot of people those two issues, while they will never affect them, are greater than any economic issue. It tends to cause such an emotional reaction in people that it overrides everything else.
This is the political reality that a would be candidate needs to grapple with.
This isn’t just about trans people in sports. He is giving his platform to bigots who are anti-trans people existing in hopes of getting their support in 2028. It’s gross.
“It’s a complicated issue that nobody seems to have a great idea on how to solve to make everyone happy as of yet, and we have bigger societal issues for Trans people that are more pressing than fucking sports. Like protecting their existence and making sure they aren’t further marginalized.”
Giving platforms to bigots make this much harder. Why give them greater access?
“Deplatforming” people is explicitly the reason why the far right has gained so much power. We used to bring the KKK to tv and they always embarrassed themselves. When you deplatform people you in fact send them to platforms where they can control the narrative, and where everyone agrees or won’t disagree with them (like Joe Rogan). Instead platform them and put them in a position in which they have to defend their views against someone who disagrees with them.
Forbidden ideology is as alluring as forbidden knowledge.
Bro, you’re saying we should give racists microphones so they can recruit more racist shit bags, what the fuck are you smoking?
Im saying that shunning everyone from the right is giving the racists a platform, a stage and an audience in which they can still recruit more racist shitbags but without any opposition and even more disimformation.
They built an entire eco system under your noses, and they have as much reach and influence as the “mainstream” ecosystem. That would have never happened without this whole deplatforming people bullshit for even the smallest disagreement with the agenda mentality. This is why far right ideology is spreading more than ever. You cannot suppress ideology, when you do you only make it more appealing to the kind of people who are already susceptible to it.
You know there’s a difference between letting someone’s objectively garbage opinions watch adults do the right thing and validating those opinions on large platforms?
It’s not a difference in opinion anyway, it’s a huge lie fueled by high-octane hate. They aren’t serious people and are not coming to the table with any intention of talking in good faith. If they even slightly cared about reality they wouldn’t have these views and as the old saying goes “you can’t logic someone out of an argument they didn’t logic themselves into”.
The reason this has gone on for so long is because Americans are spineless and enable this behaviour. They are thoroughly afraid of upsetting the status quo and so the best they can do is weak centrism while validating and giving confidence to the worst people you know. It isn’t the right-wing echo chambers, those have always existed and will continue to exist, it’s the fact that the public at large allows those echo chambers to grow by doing literally nothing about it or even helping because “balance”.
OH AND ALSO the right owns most of the mainstream media, like the enormity that is FOX-FUCKING-NEWS, and loves to deplatform progressive opinions. They enact huge amounts of censorship all the time and consider words like “cisgender” a slur while asking for trans people to live in silence and fear. Don’t come in here acting like they’re poor little oppressed babies.
You’re a clown.
It’s not validating them it’s about not letting them fester in the shadows where they can create social unrest like they are doing now. And it is a difference in opinion in a few ways, like I don’t hate trans people but I for the life of me no matter what cannot state that trans women are the same as a assigned at birth women. The fact that I had to sit and think for a moment there about which words to use so that it cannot be twisted through rhetoric highlights that. I have no hate against trans people though, I’ve even been involved with one. But to say that they are the same? I can’t trick my brain that way especially if they don’t pass. So you might say that it is a fact that trans women are women, but due to the lack of hard scientific evidence of that (and of what my own two eyes tell me) Im just gonna call it an opinion and disagree with you.
Also the reason the echo chambers are allowed to grow is because you live in a country in which freedoms of expression is a right, an almost holy one one would think, so it’s legal to say whatever hateful thing you want and be a part of hate groups. It’s enshrined in the constitution and that’s not gonna change. There’s no legal basis to disrupt them unless they act on their rhetoric.
The best you can do is not let them control the narrative and give them the spotlight a little in places where they will meet resistance so they can embarrass themselves like they always do. We used to bring the KKK on tv and they basically stopped existing for a long while after that.
This idea that letting someone speak in a forum is validating their opinions is ridiculous and is the reason we are where we are.
Sorry, I bit your head off, I’m just so angry these days, thank you for taking the time to explain it to me
Everyone is, which is why we kinda need to take a step back and maybe listen and even if we disagree on the conclusions you’ll find the root grievances to be the same.
That kinda falls down when you invite them on your show and agree with them.
Not offering someone a guest spot on your show isn’t deplatforming them. They aren’t the same thing.
I know that. Hence the implication that we should actually be platforming them.
Logic says that what he’s doing is what he said: bridge the gap between opposing forces in society.
Rationale says that he’s trying to appease a wider audience to run for President.
Do I like it? Not a fucking bit. Is either solution necessary to keep operating in politics? Absolutely.
Im not sure you have to platform bigots. You could have on conservative guests who don’t have a history of hateful comments.
I could talk to JD Vance about stopping this bullshit with the tariffs, but he wouldn’t be the person to talk to about that, right?
Would you say Vance isn’t a bigot?
Did newsom do that here? Because it sure looks like he brought charlie kirk on his podcast to make a point of agreeing with him about trans people.
Wow, he must just totally be lying about that now too. Where will his madness end???
Centrism’s holy grail is common ground between bigots whose approval they seek and… whatever whiny minority wants unreasonable shit like equality.
Newsflash. In a democracy, the bigots still get to vote. And if there are more bigots than minorities then the bigots get to keep the minorities down. The minorities effectively need to convince the bigots to give them the rights. But this whole rhetoric is bs, trans people have equal rights, not equal acceptance into society, but the government can’t really force that.
No one who is in favor of trans women in sports, or for minors to have any form of hormonal treatment is gonna win an election and trust me that for a lot of people those two issues, while they will never affect them, are greater than any economic issue. It tends to cause such an emotional reaction in people that it overrides everything else.
This is the political reality that a would be candidate needs to grapple with.
Exactly.