• @eleitl
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    181 year ago

    Evidence for your claims, please.

    • @foggy
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      151 year ago

      Here’s a video referring to OPs opinion that the tor network is compromised.

      Not proof, but reasonable explanation for why people believe this to be the case.

      https://youtu.be/pvBAaUPzvBQ

      • @eleitl
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        I typically don’t have the time to watch videos but I did in this case. It’s not wrong. The question is: what is your threat model?

        First, Tor is not designed to protect you from a global passive adversary nevermind an active one. Global network probes can be used to identify individual sessions by traffic timing correlations. Locating hidden services is quite easy that way, since they’re sitting ducks. It is fairly easy to remotely compromise hidden service marketplaces for TLA players and/or use physical access to hardware and/or operators to make them cooperate with LEOs.

        If you are trying to avoid ISP level snooping and blocking, advertisers, Google and national scale actors then Tor is the right tool to use. And by all means, do run your own relays to help the network. The more relays we have, the harder the attack.

    • @[email protected]
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      I said suspicion, not evidence. The suspicion arises when you try to answer the following 2 basic questions:

      • Who wants to deanonymize TOR users the most?
      • Who has the resources to run TOR servers and provide the service for free and why?

      Or put another way, apart from a few idealists like the Calyx Institute, nobody in their right mind would foot the bill to run servers mostly used by hackers and pedos. Therefore, the most likely operators are law enforcement and nefarious barely-constitutional three-letter agencies.

      • @eleitl
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        61 year ago

        TLAs, LEOs and criminals are both Tor end users and have an interest in attacking Tor users.

        Everybody has the resources to run Tor relays and even exits, though the latter can become a massive legal nuisance. Servers are cheap. Read the Tor mailing list archives.

        As to ‘mostly used by hackers and pedos’, please provide the evidence. Factual one, not non-sequiturs based on faulty assumptions.

      • Red Wizard 🪄
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        11 year ago

        Ok so the CIA, NSA, and FBI are running the majority of Tor nodes. Is there evidence that the data is being used to prosecute/harass/intimidate people?

        Wouldn’t there be unusual IP addresses on exit nudes?

        I’m just trying to follow this thread.

        • @[email protected]
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          11 year ago

          Is there evidence that the data is being used to prosecute/harass/intimidate people?

          So you’re okay with the TLAs snooping around and watching what you do provided they don’t act on it? I’m not, if only as a matter of principle. To quote the great movie Anon, it’s not that I have something to hide, it’s that I have nothing I want them to see.

          Besides, remember, this is the United States: just say terrorism or national security, and due process and habeas corpus go out the window - in which case, you may not hear about somebody being harassed or prosecuted at all.

      • @IphtashuFitz
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        11 year ago

        Regarding your second point, I worked in IT at a large university about 15 years ago and set up an exit node briefly on a spare system I had. The IT security team tracked it down fairly quickly because of the sudden flurry of malicious traffic associated with it. So I had to shut it down fairly soon after I fired it up.

        Most networks are likely going to have a similar reaction if running an exit node results in malicious activity on those networks. Ask yourself - who would willingly allow that to happen? It wouldn’t surprise me if the answer is organizations that want to monitor that traffic for one reason or another.

    • @[email protected]
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      Idk if the NSA runs all those exit nodes but this is definitely not the first time I’ve heard that it isn’t secure. Luckily I have nothing to hide so I use Google for everything and send them a daily summary of my offline activities in case they missed anything.