• Marxine
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    1211 months ago

    No tankie worth their salt would say it’s a good thing, lol. Being anti-NATO doesn’t immediately mean someone is pro-Putin.

    • Flying Squid
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      3911 months ago

      There are lots of pro-Putin Tankies. Lots and lots.

      • Björn Tantau
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        1511 months ago

        Funnily enough that’s what the right-wing nuts and left-wing nuts in Germany have in common. We’re living in the strangest timeline.

      • Marxine
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        411 months ago

        (I’m implying that you, as many others, equate “tankies” with “communists”)

        That’s why I restricted to only those worth their salt. Russian-right-wing larpers aren’t welcome in any communist group.

        • Flying Squid
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          1611 months ago

          Putin isn’t a communist. So no.

          • Marxine
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            411 months ago

            Afaik it’s consensus for communists to be both anti-NATO and anti-Putin, as is my case. But since lots of people now just use “tankie” as a derogatory term for “communist” instead of “Putin supporter and Russian supremacist”, I felt like making the distinction was a good call.

            • Flying Squid
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              811 months ago

              No, I definitely did not mean communist. I am a socialist, but I am sympathetic to communist ideas.

              • Marxine
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                411 months ago

                Then I’m glad to be your acquaintance, comrade. We might have different ideas on how things could be better and how to fight for them, but we definitely know what the real issues are.

      • Marxine
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        111 months ago

        Are you implying killing Nazi soldiers during ww2 was bad?

        • DarkGamer
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          411 months ago

          Killing Nazis isn’t bad, allying with them before being betrayed was. Killing Nazis in self-defense isn’t genocide, Holodomor was.

          • Marxine
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            -411 months ago

            So by those rules you imply the whole west is genocidal and Nazist?

            • USA: genocide of it’s poor, black and indigenous population (by both violence and forced poverty), anti-immigrant policies, police violence, and support for right-wing coups over the world, with Ukraine being the most notable among the recent ones
            • Canada: genocide of indigenous population, forced castration, support for right-wing coups
            • France: anti-immigrants, support for right-wing coups, exploitation and genocide of Africans
            • Australia: see USA, except for being a direct financial contributor to right-wing coups (but supporting them nonetheless)

            Every western power is genocidal and imperialist, and most crises currently ongoing are way worse than that tired example you gave. Do you just care if the suffering population is white?

            Also, about allying with Nazis: after WW2, who brought home Nazi high officials and gave them positions of power in their own countries again? USA and UK, if you don’t remember.

              • Marxine
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                011 months ago

                When someone brings Holodomor they’re not even trying to understand what they’re even blaming, so out of tiredness, I don’t bring up the fact that the ones who ruined the farms and crops were the rich private landowners who didn’t want their properties to be turned over to the state. Holodomor is a capitalist genocide in what was a communist country.

                Think for a second: why would a country building an army, needing healthy adults, purposely cause a famine?

                Meanwhile every western genocide is about racism, slave-labour and exploitation of the land. Every single one.

                Also, nice fallacies you’re throwing out there, like that ad hominem at the end, truly marvellous.

                  • Marxine
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                    011 months ago

                    That logic about Stalin destroying the farms himself doesn’t even work. The country needed the farms and crops as much as any other country building an army. Are you gonna say next that he ordered the eating of babies and kicking of dogs?

                    I’m not Stalinist btw, but history has facts, and landowners who were having their farms taken and wanted to make the communist party’s life harder are a fact. Bourgeoisie will be bourgeoisie no matter which country.

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