Am effective protest needs to be disruptive. What essentially amounts to a big weekend block party really doesn’t accomplish anything. Some of these events today had speakers thanking cops or platforming Zionists, like what are we even doing here
The only ones out there today really doing things that matter were the real leftists in the crowds trying to educate folks and trying to make them realize that no part of this administration is an anomaly to the imperialist state, they’re just louder about their fascism.
At the very, very least these events could take place in the middle of the week without prior approval from local police or w/e. Disruption is what makes a protest even the slightest bit effective, and a weekend parade doesn’t do that.
What do you believe the (realistic) aim of the protest is mean to be? Its demand is obvious, but that’s different.
This is a sincere question, I don’t know the stated aims, if any. If its aim is to bring together concerned people and expose them to progressive groups, including socialists, then even a passive sanctioned protest can contribute to the labour movement.
It needs to disrupt the ability of the ruling class to extract superprofits and achieve its security & PR goals related to it by overwhelming key areas of production with sabotage, strikes everything, organized resistance needs to run in parallel with that, protect the cadre (in this case some may need to go overseas and use encrypted communication back like Hamas has), freedom of criticism + unity of action + disciplined full participation + leadership accountability, grassroots funding structure expanding into control over logistics and MoP, messaging platforms (the only thing these people have & misuse), membership based on adherence not twitter posting (what PSL literally does), overall centered around seizing power not running media ops & running candidates indistinguishable from “progressives” (liberals), so basically think the complete and polar opposite of the Amazon labor union & DSA. HAHAHA
When I talk to co-workers about our material conditions, my aim isn’t the immediate implementation of utopia. Our legs aren’t long enough to get there in one step.
You are doing bike rides for cancer. Your aim is to throw a demonstration, for an actual movement like I just described. e.g. Yemen. 1 million mfs out there for Ansarallah. that’s a real community event. Exaggerating but how about a city you ever read about thhe 1877 St. Louis general strike which grew out of the Great Railroad Strike? Shut down the city for a week as the workers seized rail depots & demanded an eight hour day. KKK elites founded the Veiled Prophet Society the very next year to reassert ruling class control & displace union parades. An illustration published in the paper to mark the first Veiled Prophet parade in 1878 depicted the “Prophet” in white robes, a mask, & a pointed hat while carrying pistols & shotguns. You need to have your militancy pre-prepared not just go for recruitment. If you do anything worthwhile they will kill you. You are not doing anything other than trying to accelerate your entry into the asset market & get people who already won help you. They don’t even really believe you exist, despite the evidence (I do without it). Your shit is a parade for old people and evil zillenials. Seizing power not massaging your language to get recruitment for donations for an NGO model. Structure. I have no interest, material or intellectual, in helping you convince grandmas who are financially enmeshed in the system of assets that churns a fair chunk of the impoverishment of the global south & will treat you to a completely blank-eyed look if you point it out. Or call the cops if you go too far. Hence the massaging of language you know uou have to do.
Why are you acting like this “movement” (shuffling around?) is suddenly building workplace soldiarity when we’re discussing the activist side of it? You’re the one deflecting from me pointing out the disunity between these causes & their status of being evil + led astray of simply accruing more leftover labor hours & buying into the asset market? That’s not just evil dawg it’s impossible. It’s being blown up with missiles rn, your hope of “organizing” for FDR treatment tough luck time for clasa war or nothing in like 20 years.
My optimism level: 6% (7% before PressTV resumed Bernie SSandlers posting)
Please direct your punches upwards toward the powerful, thanks ❤️
take the light criticism though.
What, me? 🤨
Am effective protest needs to be disruptive. What essentially amounts to a big weekend block party really doesn’t accomplish anything. Some of these events today had speakers thanking cops or platforming Zionists, like what are we even doing here
The only ones out there today really doing things that matter were the real leftists in the crowds trying to educate folks and trying to make them realize that no part of this administration is an anomaly to the imperialist state, they’re just louder about their fascism.
At the very, very least these events could take place in the middle of the week without prior approval from local police or w/e. Disruption is what makes a protest even the slightest bit effective, and a weekend parade doesn’t do that.
What do you believe the (realistic) aim of the protest is mean to be? Its demand is obvious, but that’s different.
This is a sincere question, I don’t know the stated aims, if any. If its aim is to bring together concerned people and expose them to progressive groups, including socialists, then even a passive sanctioned protest can contribute to the labour movement.
It needs to disrupt the ability of the ruling class to extract superprofits and achieve its security & PR goals related to it by overwhelming key areas of production with sabotage, strikes everything, organized resistance needs to run in parallel with that, protect the cadre (in this case some may need to go overseas and use encrypted communication back like Hamas has), freedom of criticism + unity of action + disciplined full participation + leadership accountability, grassroots funding structure expanding into control over logistics and MoP, messaging platforms (the only thing these people have & misuse), membership based on adherence not twitter posting (what PSL literally does), overall centered around seizing power not running media ops & running candidates indistinguishable from “progressives” (liberals), so basically think the complete and polar opposite of the Amazon labor union & DSA. HAHAHA
Yes, but that’s answering a different question.
When I talk to co-workers about our material conditions, my aim isn’t the immediate implementation of utopia. Our legs aren’t long enough to get there in one step.
You are doing bike rides for cancer. Your aim is to throw a demonstration, for an actual movement like I just described. e.g. Yemen. 1 million mfs out there for Ansarallah. that’s a real community event. Exaggerating but how about a city you ever read about thhe 1877 St. Louis general strike which grew out of the Great Railroad Strike? Shut down the city for a week as the workers seized rail depots & demanded an eight hour day. KKK elites founded the Veiled Prophet Society the very next year to reassert ruling class control & displace union parades. An illustration published in the paper to mark the first Veiled Prophet parade in 1878 depicted the “Prophet” in white robes, a mask, & a pointed hat while carrying pistols & shotguns. You need to have your militancy pre-prepared not just go for recruitment. If you do anything worthwhile they will kill you. You are not doing anything other than trying to accelerate your entry into the asset market & get people who already won help you. They don’t even really believe you exist, despite the evidence (I do without it). Your shit is a parade for old people and evil zillenials. Seizing power not massaging your language to get recruitment for donations for an NGO model. Structure. I have no interest, material or intellectual, in helping you convince grandmas who are financially enmeshed in the system of assets that churns a fair chunk of the impoverishment of the global south & will treat you to a completely blank-eyed look if you point it out. Or call the cops if you go too far. Hence the massaging of language you know uou have to do.
Why are you acting like this “movement” (shuffling around?) is suddenly building workplace soldiarity when we’re discussing the activist side of it? You’re the one deflecting from me pointing out the disunity between these causes & their status of being evil + led astray of simply accruing more leftover labor hours & buying into the asset market? That’s not just evil dawg it’s impossible. It’s being blown up with missiles rn, your hope of “organizing” for FDR treatment tough luck time for clasa war or nothing in like 20 years.
My optimism level: 6% (7% before PressTV resumed Bernie SSandlers posting)
If you want to punch powerfully, you need to build strength. Constructive criticism of your workout regimen is vital to that.
Imho getting people out on the streets constitutes putting in reps. Add to the protests as you see fit. Not everyone is going to be black bloc
Talk to any of these people about seizing power and they will call the cops