I’m a conservative. I don’t mind the liberal stuff here. It’s good to learn the other side, but I don’t want a liberal echo chamber. I’d like to be more politically balanced in the fediverse. Is there any way I can do that?
I’m a conservative. I don’t mind the liberal stuff here. It’s good to learn the other side, but I don’t want a liberal echo chamber. I’d like to be more politically balanced in the fediverse. Is there any way I can do that?
Unfortunately most of the more “conservative” instances became highly toxic and so most other instances have defederated with them.
funny how every time conservatives group up, their communities become so toxic, full of hate and conspiracies, that people have no choice but to cut ties lol
Woah, woah, there… Telling all the trannies and colored folks to die is their protected free speech rights. How dare you cancel them.
they’d thrive on 4chan. i recommend OP go there. that’s a breeding ground for this ideology. they can enjoy all the loli, nazi, and “n***er” rekt gore threads they desire
I have to ask, what do lolis have to do with the rest? I can’t say I’m a fan but I feel like I’ve missed a memo.
4chan has a shiiiit ton of loli threads, sometimes containing real cp unfortunately, and some ai generated realistic cp. and, 4chan is a cesspool of alt right cunts. they are the ones proudly producing the threads
Just on /b/ for that.
/pol/ is the serious fascist breeding ground. I step in occasionally just to see what talking point these guys are going to be drumming in the mainstream in 3 to 6 months. It bleeds over everywhere else on 4chan so there’s a high overlap, but people on /b/ are surprisingly varied (if universally idiots, but I guess that’s kind of the point).
both are disgusting cesspits. i see no variation on /b/. its all loli, rekt, nazi threads, andy biersack, and porn
It’s because their political leader at the moment is a populist. They can’t help but be a bunch of cunts. Monkey see money do kind of thing.
Here’s an unpopular opinion. I saw a lot of the same elements in the Bernie crowd. Not for taking peoples rights or anything illegal like that mind you, but they were very quick to want to ignore the rules during the primary to throw out the choice of the Democratic majority in order to have Bernie win over Hillary. To this day I still hear conspiracy theory talking points about how Bernie really won, or how he was winning the real polls, etc. it’s the same populist rhetoric and it’s dangerous.
Yeah, but how often did Bernie himself repeat those conspiracy theories? Did he ever try to violently overturn the Democratic primary results? Every popular person has some shitty supporters, so you can’t just judge people based on their supporters.
Bernie never said anything to my knowledge, which is why I said the Bernie Crowd. It was limited to a chunk of his fan base that discussed ignoring primary results and awarding delegates to Bernie. Violent or Non-Violent wasn’t the point. The rules were set before the primary, and Bernie lost. Any attempt at discussion of anything regarding overturning that result is overturning democracy. That was scary to read. You don’t think that would ever turn into a coup attempt, but It’s enough to have made me uncomfortable.
I only blame Bernie as much as his populist rhetoric misleads people. Nothing actually happened, and I don’t believe he would have stood for it if it did.
Yeah, but how often did Bernie himself repeat those conspiracy theories? Did he ever try to violently overturn the Democratic primary results? Every popular person has some shitty supporters, so you can’t just judge people based on their supporters.
Have you seen all the comments on this thread?
Instead of answering the OPs question, 100+ people are just bashing him for thinking differently, saying stuff like “Well, why are you conservative in the first place? Conservatism is so stupid! People on the right are evil, monsters, etc.”
This left wing echo chamber is already very hateful and against any differing opinions.
It’s not “thinking differently” it’s “the beliefs necessary to maintain that political stance are stupid and cruel”.
Not every conservative is a racist nazi. Some of us just want the government to stick to doing what’s in the constitution.
So then how can you possibly agree with the right? Is banning books in the Constitution?
Westerners, especially Americans, have a really really hard time believing that you can be socially one thing and governmentally/economically another. For instance Im radically socially leftist but economically libertarian.
Because Americans have been force fed the lie that you have to pick one size fits all, they assume that every conservative is also socially conservative. Which, in the case of America, means you support the wild anti lgbt/anti abortion legislation.
I agree. The way I worded my comment was very intentional to not bash conservatism. I don’t consider myself one but I thought OP’s question was pretty respectful and I do find it unfortunate that he doesn’t have a community on here that isn’t extremely radicalized.
Yeah, it’s a shame that people can’t be more civil and respectful to each other.
Instantly became toxic? I’m shocked, shocked I say!
Unsurprisingly
I think they would be more moderate if more moderate people would have opportunity to participate. Right now all of the non left instances or communities get too quickly defederated and deleted, so moderate people who would normally participate dont want to create na account on a completely defederated instance. The only thing you are left of there are some crazies.
The only way I heard of conservative communities here is from a post that is asking for defederation or deletion
Well, the conservatives in those communities could try being less horrible pieces of shit and not bring hate to minority spaces, but that’s probably too much to ask
Remember when being conservative meant you wanted lower tax?
Now it’s a competition to see who’s going to say the most toxic stuff and who can become the biggest piece of trash a human being can be
“I LOVE RUSSIA TRUMP IS MY GOD FUCK LGBTS ALL TRANS ARE PEDOPHILE SOROS BILL GATES WOKE WOKE WOKE WOKE WOKE WOKE WOKE WOKE FAUCI OBAMA BUT HER EMAILS BUT HIS LAPTOPS BUD LITE WOKE WOKE”
like holy shit, calm down a bit…
Conservatism has always been that
In America maybe, although I doubt that.
That was like 15 years ago as I remember it. Being a conservative was about being a fiscal responsibility, and there was an expectation that we were all moving in the same direction socially. Now it’s all messed up.
It’s been the same since the Nixon era, they’re just more mask off about it now.
Give hate a chance!
conservative spaces shouldn’t need moderates to balance out their toxicity and crazy when left on their own, they simply shouldn’t be toxic and crazy. why do they need their hand held? it gets defederated quickly because THEY always quickly turn their spaces into pure hate, and they choose to spread that. that’s on them, not us.
The ideology is built in hate so it’s no surprise this happens to them
It’s funny. What is happening here is “hate” towards conservatives!
And no, conservatism is not built upon hate. There has to be a left, there has to be a right. And the absence of either would drive us to dictatorship (lack of left wing) or anarchy (lack of right wing)
Oh no, anarchy
… Uh so no dominance hierarchies, where no one rules over another? Yeah, don’t threaten me with a good time
Community starts, insane conspiracy prevails, defederated/removed.
“moderate “ conservative is a myth
A person can share some values from both sides of political spectrum. Why is that concept so difficult for people to understand?
Its definetely not a myth
Provide an example of a moderate conservative view then.
Without dog whistles and nonsense like “small government” or whatever other labels conservatives like to pretend to have
It’s possible to economically liberal and socially conservative. Or the other way round.
Socially conservative just means being racist, and homophobic
Or the other way round. Socially liberally and economically conservative. The point is that you can average to moderate/centre.
This whole fascination with left and right politics is why America is so fucked.
Yeah, all those leftists in power, ruining the country.
Economically conservative isn’t even what the right does though. Being a “conservative” is 100% defined as being anti-woke and a culture warrior.
I think that’s the extreme ideas of each other we have in our heads. Someone can be a liberal with christian values and consider themselves conservatives. They can practice tolerance and respect differences among people.
Conservatives don’t have spaces to chat online that aren’t full of bigots or people who automatically reject their values. I think these conservatives could be our ally, but they need their own spaces to talk.
Nuclear family, individual freedoms, freedom of religion and expression
What does nuclear family mean in relation to being conservative. What is the associated policy.
Same with the rest. Those are just platitudes. They don’t actually mean anything or guide policy
Just try to listen since they are trying to tell you.
Its an idea that many conservative folks believe in. There is no policy. Policies can be different from country to country. This is an international instance, it is not limited to discussing only policies in the USA, it is also allowed to discuss ideas worldwide.
But there are policies.
“Nuclear family” sounds like you’re trying to say “traditional family”, so the policy would be banning gay marriage and infringing on their rights as citizens.
“Personal freedoms” is about the most vague stance you could claim for an ideology, but people on your side are banning books, censoring school ciricuculums and furthering the militarization of the police. I’m not sure how any of that amounts to more personal freedoms.
You say freedom of religion, but the policies associated with that stance are, again, discriminatory. We already have freedom of religion, conservatives are looking for their religion to dominate society, through legislation.
All of the ideals yoy listed hurt “personal freedoms” for anyone not belonging to conservative groups. There are policies associated with all of them despite your denial. They are oppressive and discriminatory.
I have beliefs from both sides. I just agree with the right a little more.
I’m genuinely curious, which conservative values do you like?
I’m socially pretty left but a voluntarist and it feels pretty hostile. Even socially moderate or liberal cons will feel pretty bad. I’m just used to chillin’ in left spaces so it’s whatever.
I get what you’re saying. There’s a mindset in the fediverse that everyone on an instance is responsible for it. Even if the bad actors join later. The instance gets defederated but as a user it can be really hard to know if your instance is defederated.
It’s a deeply unpopular opinion and anyone who suggests that federation is simultaneously a huge advance and a big problem seems to get downvoted.
You’re right, ultimately instead of being exposed to a range of views some of which are challenging we’ll end up in little echo chambers.
We need more moderation and less defederation.
There’s a difference between being exposed to a range of views and being exposed to hatred.
And that’s were moderation (the act of moderation) comes in as a first step rather than instant defederation.
r/conservative mods handed out bans for anyone even asking a legit question. Conservative arguments aren’t fact based, so any good faith argument is seen as an attack and the only defense is to reject it outright. I don’t know how good moderation can be applied to that.
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I’m fine being in an echo chamber that Trans people deserve human rights. That’s a hill I’m willing to die on. If you disagree, you can stay out of my bubble, I’m not negotiating this point.
This. If they identify as humans, they deserve human rights
I haven’t mentioned anything about Trans people at all ? There’s nothing to negotiate and I don’t disagree that trans people have a right to be treated with respect and have their rights respected.
It’s the hot topic of the moment for conservatives, particularly the ones that are getting banned from public sites. Other than that, it’s all culture war shit like abortion, immigration, border walls, etc that all go into xenophobia, misogamy, racism, antisemitism etc. I haven’t seen any real conservative ideas in a decade. Now it’s all a grift. You either have a old idea of what conservative is or just aren’t saying it out loud. Even when Republicans cut taxes, they cut them massively for the rich and give the middle class and poor pennies. Any time someone wants to put more money in lower classes pockets they fabricate some bullshit to block it (Student Loan Forgiveness, Stimulus Checks) all a while giving Businesses Billions and removing oversight (PPP Loans).