I’m a conservative. I don’t mind the liberal stuff here. It’s good to learn the other side, but I don’t want a liberal echo chamber. I’d like to be more politically balanced in the fediverse. Is there any way I can do that?
I’m a conservative. I don’t mind the liberal stuff here. It’s good to learn the other side, but I don’t want a liberal echo chamber. I’d like to be more politically balanced in the fediverse. Is there any way I can do that?
I think they would be more moderate if more moderate people would have opportunity to participate. Right now all of the non left instances or communities get too quickly defederated and deleted, so moderate people who would normally participate dont want to create na account on a completely defederated instance. The only thing you are left of there are some crazies.
The only way I heard of conservative communities here is from a post that is asking for defederation or deletion
Well, the conservatives in those communities could try being less horrible pieces of shit and not bring hate to minority spaces, but that’s probably too much to ask
Remember when being conservative meant you wanted lower tax?
Now it’s a competition to see who’s going to say the most toxic stuff and who can become the biggest piece of trash a human being can be
“I LOVE RUSSIA TRUMP IS MY GOD FUCK LGBTS ALL TRANS ARE PEDOPHILE SOROS BILL GATES WOKE WOKE WOKE WOKE WOKE WOKE WOKE WOKE FAUCI OBAMA BUT HER EMAILS BUT HIS LAPTOPS BUD LITE WOKE WOKE”
like holy shit, calm down a bit…
Conservatism has always been that
In America maybe, although I doubt that.
That was like 15 years ago as I remember it. Being a conservative was about being a fiscal responsibility, and there was an expectation that we were all moving in the same direction socially. Now it’s all messed up.
It’s been the same since the Nixon era, they’re just more mask off about it now.
Give hate a chance!
conservative spaces shouldn’t need moderates to balance out their toxicity and crazy when left on their own, they simply shouldn’t be toxic and crazy. why do they need their hand held? it gets defederated quickly because THEY always quickly turn their spaces into pure hate, and they choose to spread that. that’s on them, not us.
The ideology is built in hate so it’s no surprise this happens to them
It’s funny. What is happening here is “hate” towards conservatives!
And no, conservatism is not built upon hate. There has to be a left, there has to be a right. And the absence of either would drive us to dictatorship (lack of left wing) or anarchy (lack of right wing)
Oh no, anarchy
… Uh so no dominance hierarchies, where no one rules over another? Yeah, don’t threaten me with a good time
Community starts, insane conspiracy prevails, defederated/removed.
“moderate “ conservative is a myth
A person can share some values from both sides of political spectrum. Why is that concept so difficult for people to understand?
Its definetely not a myth
Provide an example of a moderate conservative view then.
Without dog whistles and nonsense like “small government” or whatever other labels conservatives like to pretend to have
It’s possible to economically liberal and socially conservative. Or the other way round.
Socially conservative just means being racist, and homophobic
Or the other way round. Socially liberally and economically conservative. The point is that you can average to moderate/centre.
This whole fascination with left and right politics is why America is so fucked.
Yeah, all those leftists in power, ruining the country.
Economically conservative isn’t even what the right does though. Being a “conservative” is 100% defined as being anti-woke and a culture warrior.
I think that’s the extreme ideas of each other we have in our heads. Someone can be a liberal with christian values and consider themselves conservatives. They can practice tolerance and respect differences among people.
Conservatives don’t have spaces to chat online that aren’t full of bigots or people who automatically reject their values. I think these conservatives could be our ally, but they need their own spaces to talk.
Nuclear family, individual freedoms, freedom of religion and expression
What does nuclear family mean in relation to being conservative. What is the associated policy.
Same with the rest. Those are just platitudes. They don’t actually mean anything or guide policy
Its an idea that many conservative folks believe in. There is no policy. Policies can be different from country to country. This is an international instance, it is not limited to discussing only policies in the USA, it is also allowed to discuss ideas worldwide.
But there are policies.
“Nuclear family” sounds like you’re trying to say “traditional family”, so the policy would be banning gay marriage and infringing on their rights as citizens.
“Personal freedoms” is about the most vague stance you could claim for an ideology, but people on your side are banning books, censoring school ciricuculums and furthering the militarization of the police. I’m not sure how any of that amounts to more personal freedoms.
You say freedom of religion, but the policies associated with that stance are, again, discriminatory. We already have freedom of religion, conservatives are looking for their religion to dominate society, through legislation.
All of the ideals yoy listed hurt “personal freedoms” for anyone not belonging to conservative groups. There are policies associated with all of them despite your denial. They are oppressive and discriminatory.
What you seem to be referring to are problems you have with conservative policies in your country.
The same does not apply to conservative ideas from other cultures. The way most of the people here are assuming particular views to conservative people is heavily biased to their particular country, and usually is not accurate.
Just try to listen since they are trying to tell you.
I have beliefs from both sides. I just agree with the right a little more.
I’m genuinely curious, which conservative values do you like?
I’m socially pretty left but a voluntarist and it feels pretty hostile. Even socially moderate or liberal cons will feel pretty bad. I’m just used to chillin’ in left spaces so it’s whatever.
I get what you’re saying. There’s a mindset in the fediverse that everyone on an instance is responsible for it. Even if the bad actors join later. The instance gets defederated but as a user it can be really hard to know if your instance is defederated.
It’s a deeply unpopular opinion and anyone who suggests that federation is simultaneously a huge advance and a big problem seems to get downvoted.
You’re right, ultimately instead of being exposed to a range of views some of which are challenging we’ll end up in little echo chambers.
We need more moderation and less defederation.
There’s a difference between being exposed to a range of views and being exposed to hatred.
And that’s were moderation (the act of moderation) comes in as a first step rather than instant defederation.
r/conservative mods handed out bans for anyone even asking a legit question. Conservative arguments aren’t fact based, so any good faith argument is seen as an attack and the only defense is to reject it outright. I don’t know how good moderation can be applied to that.
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I’m fine being in an echo chamber that Trans people deserve human rights. That’s a hill I’m willing to die on. If you disagree, you can stay out of my bubble, I’m not negotiating this point.
This. If they identify as humans, they deserve human rights
I haven’t mentioned anything about Trans people at all ? There’s nothing to negotiate and I don’t disagree that trans people have a right to be treated with respect and have their rights respected.
It’s the hot topic of the moment for conservatives, particularly the ones that are getting banned from public sites. Other than that, it’s all culture war shit like abortion, immigration, border walls, etc that all go into xenophobia, misogamy, racism, antisemitism etc. I haven’t seen any real conservative ideas in a decade. Now it’s all a grift. You either have a old idea of what conservative is or just aren’t saying it out loud. Even when Republicans cut taxes, they cut them massively for the rich and give the middle class and poor pennies. Any time someone wants to put more money in lower classes pockets they fabricate some bullshit to block it (Student Loan Forgiveness, Stimulus Checks) all a while giving Businesses Billions and removing oversight (PPP Loans).