The Biden administration is asking Congress to provide more than $13 billion in emergency defense aid to Ukraine and an additional $8 billion for humanitarian support through the end of the year.
Its just a lack of consistency, I don’t know what to tell you. You can’t tell me the US sends military aid to Ukraine in order to “defend democracy,” when in numerous other cases of sovereign countries being occupied, we do nothing, or we even support the occupiers, in Palestine’s case.
This lack of consistency lends itself to the idea that there are further interests besides “defending democracy” for which we send Ukraine weapons. I’m not sure how else to put it. If it were about the moral imperative of defending occupied people’s, you can pick out numerous similar examples where we have not acted, and you just have to conclude that there are other factors behind the US sending aid to Ukraine. One is the perceived threat the country feels from Russia, which I think is probably exacerbated by the press. One is the perpetuation of the constant war economy we have, and one is the increased political unity that war brings.
But I’m curious about your position, you’re dismissing my arguments as “whataboutism,” but what exactly would you assert instead? Do you think that Ukraine deserves our aid more than Palestine does? Is it that Russia is a grave threat to the United States? I’m genuinely curious
So if the US supported Palestine, you’d agree with the US supporting Ukraine? If so, real strong set of morality there. You’re fine with more suffering because of some perceived (not even real, as these are two totally different situations) logical inconsistency? If not, your argument is disingenuous. You can pick whichever position you want - they’re both shitty. Are you equally suspect of the other 4 dozen countries supporting Ukraine, or just the US?
My position is super simple. Russia invaded Ukraine with literally zero justification and is attempting genocide. That’s bad. Ukraine deserves support to protect their people and their home. All your other bullshit is noise, because you’re trying to use unrelated events to cast doubt. Like I said, we all know the playbook of Russian apologia by now and can see right through this.
Classic, of course you follow with whattaboutism. Like I said, we’ve seen the Russian talking point already. Next.
Also the US isn’t single handedly supporting Ukraine. You need to dramatically increase your whattaboutism to cover the other 50 or so countries.
Its just a lack of consistency, I don’t know what to tell you. You can’t tell me the US sends military aid to Ukraine in order to “defend democracy,” when in numerous other cases of sovereign countries being occupied, we do nothing, or we even support the occupiers, in Palestine’s case.
This lack of consistency lends itself to the idea that there are further interests besides “defending democracy” for which we send Ukraine weapons. I’m not sure how else to put it. If it were about the moral imperative of defending occupied people’s, you can pick out numerous similar examples where we have not acted, and you just have to conclude that there are other factors behind the US sending aid to Ukraine. One is the perceived threat the country feels from Russia, which I think is probably exacerbated by the press. One is the perpetuation of the constant war economy we have, and one is the increased political unity that war brings.
But I’m curious about your position, you’re dismissing my arguments as “whataboutism,” but what exactly would you assert instead? Do you think that Ukraine deserves our aid more than Palestine does? Is it that Russia is a grave threat to the United States? I’m genuinely curious
So if the US supported Palestine, you’d agree with the US supporting Ukraine? If so, real strong set of morality there. You’re fine with more suffering because of some perceived (not even real, as these are two totally different situations) logical inconsistency? If not, your argument is disingenuous. You can pick whichever position you want - they’re both shitty. Are you equally suspect of the other 4 dozen countries supporting Ukraine, or just the US?
My position is super simple. Russia invaded Ukraine with literally zero justification and is attempting genocide. That’s bad. Ukraine deserves support to protect their people and their home. All your other bullshit is noise, because you’re trying to use unrelated events to cast doubt. Like I said, we all know the playbook of Russian apologia by now and can see right through this.