Trump stalled the trials until he became president. That is why Merrick Garland had the same success as everyone else that has tried to hold Trump accountable.
Biden took office Jan 20th, 2021. Garland didn’t appoint Jack Smith until November 18th, 2022 - one year and almost ten full months later. Almost halfway through Biden’s term. What Trump did on January 6th was obvious and well known before Biden took office, the fact that Jack Smith wasn’t appointed IN EARLY 2021 is a colossal failure on Biden’s part.
The January 6th insurrection involved tens of thousands of people that had to be interviewed, interrogated and investigated. It involved people from across the country and mountains of evidence to be processed. Everything from social media posts to surveillance footage. To top it all off there was no room for error because Trump has always used corruption to escape consequence.
Trump loyalist that were involved did everything they could to help Trump by slowing the process.
When you attack someone for trying to hold Trump accountable you discourage others from trying to hold Trump accountable.
Trump is old as fuck and a lifelong criminal pedophile felon rapist that has never been held accountable and that has nothing to do with Biden or Merrick Garland or Obama.
Yes, there was a lot of work to do. Which is why waiting almost two years to start working is so fucking appalling. They should have started in early 2021!
It took that long because Merrick did things by the book. Because any other way would increase Trump’s chances of winning.
In the end the timing didn’t matter because U.S. District Judge Aileen Cannon permanently blocked the Department of Justice from publicly releasing Special Counsel Jack Smith’s final investigative report regarding Donald Trump’s retention of classified documents.
In the aftermath of the 2001 terrorist attack, the government captured and held hundreds of men without due process, which it justified as exigent circumstances. In the aftermath of the nation’s democratic institutions being attacked, which was an exigent circumstance if I’ve ever seen one, it did nothing. There were thousands of people involved, and lots of evidence to collect, but we knew who the ringleaders were. They should have been in Gitmo by the end of the day on January 21st, 2021.
But, as the OC said, this country never holds the powerful accountable.
In the aftermath of the 2001 terrorist attack the court of public opinion was in agreement that it was justified as exigent circumstances. No Americans were defending the terrorist.
In the aftermath of the nation’s democratic institutions being attacked, it was a large portion of the voting populous that was actively contributing, primarily due to psyop campaigns from Russia and the Trump administration that convinced a large amount of the populous that the election was stolen. The people that were victims of this campaign were judges, politicians, military leaders and many other roles that allowed them to do things like Judge Cannon when she dismissed the 40-count federal indictment against Donald Trump and two aides, ruling that Special Counsel Jack Smith’s appointment violated the Appointments Clause of the Constitution.
The difference between these two scenarios are so obvious they shouldn’t need explaining.
Not ar all. The GOP were angry, or left in stunned silence for weeks; it was fascinating at the time to watch them re-frame the narrative in public, in real time. In the first days, though, I doubt they would’ve objected. And so what if they did? Biden was the President, how would they stop him? If there had been a MAGA uprising, it could have been crushed, just like Occupy Wall Street was.
Also, plenty of people objected to the flouting of due process in 2002. The difference is not that some people objected.
The point was that in the example of the terrorist attacks that there wasn’t anyone to hold accountable because as far as the majority was concerned there was nothing to be held accountable for.
With the example of Jan 6th U.S. tried to hold Trump accountable but was prevented by Trump himself with the help of a majority of the voting populous.
In a democracy it’s the voters that decide if there is something to be held accountable for. In both examples the voters decided there was nothing to be held accountable for.
In addition to that there are plenty examples of the U.S. holding the powerful to account. Here’s what I found in just a few seconds:
George Santos: The former New York Republican Congressman was arrested and indicted on a 13-count federal indictment in May 2023 for charges including wire fraud, money laundering, theft of public funds, and making false statements.
Chris Collins: The New York Representative was indicted and arrested in 2018 for tipping off his son to confidential corporate information regarding an Australian biotechnology company. He resigned and pleaded guilty to conspiracy to commit securities fraud and lying to law enforcement.
Duncan Hunter: The California Representative was indicted in 2018 and eventually pleaded guilty to misusing over \(\$150,000\) in campaign funds for personal expenses, including family vacations, movie tickets, and extramarital affairs.
Larry Householder: The former Ohio Speaker of the House was arrested and convicted in March 2023 in a \(\$60\) million federal racketeering and bribery scheme—one of the largest public corruption cases in state history.
Steve Watkins: The former Kansas Republican congressional candidate and Representative was charged with three felony counts and one misdemeanor regarding voter fraud and illegally registering his residence at a UPS store ahead of the 2019 election.
David Rivera: The former Florida Representative was arrested in Atlanta in December 2022 and indicted for federal charges including acting as an unregistered foreign agent for a Venezuelan national and conspiracy to launder money.
Okay, so we do hold people in positions of power accountable, so Biden should have locked up the coup leaders on day one. As we have unfortunately seen, the President can act despite objections from the people.
Biden locking up the coup leaders on day one without the support of voters would be the move of a dictator and would require Biden to pull off a coup first because the president otherwise doesn’t have the ability to do what you are suggesting.
Trump is only able to get away with his crimes because of the support he has from voters, billionares, Russia, the GOP and all the corrupt judges and Judicial roles he has filled with loyalist (just to name a few examples).
Trump stalled the trials until he became president. That is why Merrick Garland had the same success as everyone else that has tried to hold Trump accountable.
Biden took office Jan 20th, 2021. Garland didn’t appoint Jack Smith until November 18th, 2022 - one year and almost ten full months later. Almost halfway through Biden’s term. What Trump did on January 6th was obvious and well known before Biden took office, the fact that Jack Smith wasn’t appointed IN EARLY 2021 is a colossal failure on Biden’s part.
The January 6th insurrection involved tens of thousands of people that had to be interviewed, interrogated and investigated. It involved people from across the country and mountains of evidence to be processed. Everything from social media posts to surveillance footage. To top it all off there was no room for error because Trump has always used corruption to escape consequence.
Trump loyalist that were involved did everything they could to help Trump by slowing the process.
When you attack someone for trying to hold Trump accountable you discourage others from trying to hold Trump accountable.
Trump is old as fuck and a lifelong criminal pedophile felon rapist that has never been held accountable and that has nothing to do with Biden or Merrick Garland or Obama.
Yes, there was a lot of work to do. Which is why waiting almost two years to start working is so fucking appalling. They should have started in early 2021!
It took that long because Merrick did things by the book. Because any other way would increase Trump’s chances of winning.
In the end the timing didn’t matter because U.S. District Judge Aileen Cannon permanently blocked the Department of Justice from publicly releasing Special Counsel Jack Smith’s final investigative report regarding Donald Trump’s retention of classified documents.
Starting earlier would not change that outcome.
The classified documents in his bathroom should have been a slam dunk and a short trial but Cannon did everything she could to drag that one out.
In the aftermath of the 2001 terrorist attack, the government captured and held hundreds of men without due process, which it justified as exigent circumstances. In the aftermath of the nation’s democratic institutions being attacked, which was an exigent circumstance if I’ve ever seen one, it did nothing. There were thousands of people involved, and lots of evidence to collect, but we knew who the ringleaders were. They should have been in Gitmo by the end of the day on January 21st, 2021.
But, as the OC said, this country never holds the powerful accountable.
In the aftermath of the 2001 terrorist attack the court of public opinion was in agreement that it was justified as exigent circumstances. No Americans were defending the terrorist.
In the aftermath of the nation’s democratic institutions being attacked, it was a large portion of the voting populous that was actively contributing, primarily due to psyop campaigns from Russia and the Trump administration that convinced a large amount of the populous that the election was stolen. The people that were victims of this campaign were judges, politicians, military leaders and many other roles that allowed them to do things like Judge Cannon when she dismissed the 40-count federal indictment against Donald Trump and two aides, ruling that Special Counsel Jack Smith’s appointment violated the Appointments Clause of the Constitution.
The difference between these two scenarios are so obvious they shouldn’t need explaining.
Not ar all. The GOP were angry, or left in stunned silence for weeks; it was fascinating at the time to watch them re-frame the narrative in public, in real time. In the first days, though, I doubt they would’ve objected. And so what if they did? Biden was the President, how would they stop him? If there had been a MAGA uprising, it could have been crushed, just like Occupy Wall Street was.
Also, plenty of people objected to the flouting of due process in 2002. The difference is not that some people objected.
MAGA is made up of people with systemic power like judges, cops, military leaders, the billionaire class.
The occupy Wall Street movement never had members with that much power. Or anywhere near the same numbers.
The majority of Americans were ok with the reactions to 2001 terrorist attacks.
That was the point, wasn’t it? That the U.S. has never held the powerful to account.
The point was that in the example of the terrorist attacks that there wasn’t anyone to hold accountable because as far as the majority was concerned there was nothing to be held accountable for.
With the example of Jan 6th U.S. tried to hold Trump accountable but was prevented by Trump himself with the help of a majority of the voting populous.
In a democracy it’s the voters that decide if there is something to be held accountable for. In both examples the voters decided there was nothing to be held accountable for.
In addition to that there are plenty examples of the U.S. holding the powerful to account. Here’s what I found in just a few seconds:
George Santos: The former New York Republican Congressman was arrested and indicted on a 13-count federal indictment in May 2023 for charges including wire fraud, money laundering, theft of public funds, and making false statements.
Chris Collins: The New York Representative was indicted and arrested in 2018 for tipping off his son to confidential corporate information regarding an Australian biotechnology company. He resigned and pleaded guilty to conspiracy to commit securities fraud and lying to law enforcement.
Duncan Hunter: The California Representative was indicted in 2018 and eventually pleaded guilty to misusing over \(\$150,000\) in campaign funds for personal expenses, including family vacations, movie tickets, and extramarital affairs.
Larry Householder: The former Ohio Speaker of the House was arrested and convicted in March 2023 in a \(\$60\) million federal racketeering and bribery scheme—one of the largest public corruption cases in state history.
Steve Watkins: The former Kansas Republican congressional candidate and Representative was charged with three felony counts and one misdemeanor regarding voter fraud and illegally registering his residence at a UPS store ahead of the 2019 election.
David Rivera: The former Florida Representative was arrested in Atlanta in December 2022 and indicted for federal charges including acting as an unregistered foreign agent for a Venezuelan national and conspiracy to launder money.
Okay, so we do hold people in positions of power accountable, so Biden should have locked up the coup leaders on day one. As we have unfortunately seen, the President can act despite objections from the people.
Biden locking up the coup leaders on day one without the support of voters would be the move of a dictator and would require Biden to pull off a coup first because the president otherwise doesn’t have the ability to do what you are suggesting.
Trump is only able to get away with his crimes because of the support he has from voters, billionares, Russia, the GOP and all the corrupt judges and Judicial roles he has filled with loyalist (just to name a few examples).
Biden never had that kind of support.