But my point was this whole thing originated and was an issue in Scotland, so calling it England overriding Scotland is not accurate. If anything it’s the other way around.
The Supreme Court, by law, is meant to be made up of judges from each of the UK’s four countries, but in fact, it’s just two Scots, one Welshman, one from Northern Ireland and the rest from England, and overwhelmingly, it’s full of people who were Lords already and were educated privately. There are more people from Eton than Scotland on it.
So no, I don’t buy that Scotland did it to itself. Scotland had the most trans-accepting legislation in the UK and the overwhelmingly English Posh Boy School educated Supreme Court overruled it.
Lots of Scots correctly see it as Scottish left wing policy overridden by a bunch of English overlords.
Yes, there a 9 English Judges to Scotland’s 2 because England has 10x the population of Scotland. So a Scottish person actually has more than 2x the representation on the supreme court proportionally.
And it was a majority English government that put the equalities act into law in the first place.
Yes it absolutely was Scotland doing it not only to itself, but to the entire union.
Because as a trans person in England if it wasnt for For Women Scotland v The Scottish Ministers case about an act of the Scottish parliament, where the case opinion was lead by a Scottish man, I would still have the same rights to live my life as I did 3 years ago, but I do not.
For women scotland are anti trans bigots funded by nasty author. They’re not for Women and they’re not for Scotland. Why would you believe deceptive people’s claims about who they are for?
Pulling the West Lothian Question nonsense on me doesn’t change for one minute the fact that the English overrule the Scottish again and again and again. Yes, England is more populous, that’s how it has so many MPs and that’s how it overrules Scotland so often. Heck, Yorkshire has more MPs than Scotland.
Don’t blame the Scots, blame the anti trans bigots. This meme is about the largely left wrong Scots standing with trans people when both feel betrayed by the supreme court for interfering with Scottish pro trans policy.
I’m under no illusion about them being for women, they are a hate group, but they are a Scottish hate group full of Scottish tranphobes funded by Scottish bigots.
Scotland has it’s own devolved parliament. But England does not.
Most people in England stand with Trans people too. The idea that Scotland is some left wing utopia filled with kind people but England is a horrid place full of right wingers is just nonsense.
And again, you can claim that this is England’s fault all you want, but as an English trans person, if it wasnt for a Scottish supreme court judge siding with a Scottish hate group on a issue concerning an act passed in Scottish parliament, then I would still have my rights under the equalities act.
Scotland has it’s own devolved parliament. But England does not.
Doesn’t stop them from being trampled all over by the English more right-wing parliament.
if it wasnt for a Scottish supreme court judge
You talk like the supreme court is a dictatorship. It is not.
an act passed in Scottish parliament
Are you saying that the Scottish Parliament ought not to have passed pro-trans legislation, or that it was a false flag operation designed to provoke the awful consequences that the English-dominated supreme court inflicted on us all?
My original point, which you seem determined to pick holes in, was that the Scottish people, who are by and large far more left wing than the English, had the most trans-inclusive legislation in the UK. The Scots are aggrieved that yet again something progressive was overruled by an English-dominated power. Whether you agree or not that the Scots don’t like having their left wing ideals messed with by the London Parliament and the London Supreme Court, the meme is from regular trans ally Scots folks expressing Scottish solidarity with LGBT+, and I think it’s a mistake to be getting cross about that because nasty author is also a Scot and the hate group had Scottish in the name.
Nigel Farage waves the England flag; should we hate and blame all English folk for his hatred? Even those who oppose him? It’s right to be very angry and upset about what happened, but to blame all Scottish people for it and to reject anyone from Scotland who expresses sympathy and common cause with you is coming across as a bit of a counterproductive, unfair and overly broad brush.
Nigel Farage waves the England flag; should we hate and blame all English folk for his hatred?
Is that not what you’re doing when you say stuff like.
the Scottish people, who are by and large far more left wing than the English, had the most trans-inclusive legislation in the UK. The Scots are aggrieved that yet again something progressive was overruled by an English-dominated power.
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the meme is from regular trans ally Scots folks expressing Scottish solidarity with LGBT+, and I think it’s a mistake to be getting cross about that because nasty author is also a Scot and the hate group had Scottish in the name.
But it’s fine to be cross about all of England because some of the judges of the case were English?
Some Scottish people made this meme, standing with trans folk.
Some Scottish terfs and English transphobes together overturned the Scottish trans-inclusive legislation.
Scottish Independence would mean that a majority English Parliament and a majority English wouldn’t be able to overturn Scottish legislation, and neither Scotland nor England would be facing trans erasure, trans exclusion and anti-trans discrimination. This is the sense in which particularly Scots trans folks and trans allies who want independence feel that this is another example of Scotland not being allowed to do what it chooses. But Scots who want independence largely dislike English rule rather than dislike English people.
It’s OK to be cross with the English-dominated Supreme Court, including the two Scots on it. It’s OK to be cross with nasty author and Scottish terf hate groups. It’s OK to be cross with the situation that the English-dominated Supreme Court can overrule the Scottish Parliament, (especially when the English-dominated Parliament has Parliamentary Sovereignty as a core principal and can overturn the Supreme Court in a way that the Scottish Parliament cannot, even if the current government is incorrectly treating it as constitutionally binding), and it’s OK to be cross with the situation that the overturning of that law in Scotland has now exploded over the whole of the UK spewing shit over people who are just trying to live their lives in peace.
It’s not OK to be cross with random English trans allies just because they’re English and it’s not OK to be cross with random Scottish allies just because they’re Scottish.
Nasty author is Scottish, yes, and funded the case, but the rich bigotted few don’t represent the tolerant many.
Yes, an the same is true for England, no?
But my point was this whole thing originated and was an issue in Scotland, so calling it England overriding Scotland is not accurate. If anything it’s the other way around.
The Supreme Court, by law, is meant to be made up of judges from each of the UK’s four countries, but in fact, it’s just two Scots, one Welshman, one from Northern Ireland and the rest from England, and overwhelmingly, it’s full of people who were Lords already and were educated privately. There are more people from Eton than Scotland on it.
So no, I don’t buy that Scotland did it to itself. Scotland had the most trans-accepting legislation in the UK and the overwhelmingly English Posh Boy School educated Supreme Court overruled it.
Lots of Scots correctly see it as Scottish left wing policy overridden by a bunch of English overlords.
Yes, there a 9 English Judges to Scotland’s 2 because England has 10x the population of Scotland. So a Scottish person actually has more than 2x the representation on the supreme court proportionally.
And it was a majority English government that put the equalities act into law in the first place.
Yes it absolutely was Scotland doing it not only to itself, but to the entire union.
Because as a trans person in England if it wasnt for For Women Scotland v The Scottish Ministers case about an act of the Scottish parliament, where the case opinion was lead by a Scottish man, I would still have the same rights to live my life as I did 3 years ago, but I do not.
For women scotland are anti trans bigots funded by nasty author. They’re not for Women and they’re not for Scotland. Why would you believe deceptive people’s claims about who they are for?
Pulling the West Lothian Question nonsense on me doesn’t change for one minute the fact that the English overrule the Scottish again and again and again. Yes, England is more populous, that’s how it has so many MPs and that’s how it overrules Scotland so often. Heck, Yorkshire has more MPs than Scotland.
Don’t blame the Scots, blame the anti trans bigots. This meme is about the largely left wrong Scots standing with trans people when both feel betrayed by the supreme court for interfering with Scottish pro trans policy.
I’m under no illusion about them being for women, they are a hate group, but they are a Scottish hate group full of Scottish tranphobes funded by Scottish bigots.
Scotland has it’s own devolved parliament. But England does not.
Most people in England stand with Trans people too. The idea that Scotland is some left wing utopia filled with kind people but England is a horrid place full of right wingers is just nonsense.
And again, you can claim that this is England’s fault all you want, but as an English trans person, if it wasnt for a Scottish supreme court judge siding with a Scottish hate group on a issue concerning an act passed in Scottish parliament, then I would still have my rights under the equalities act.
Doesn’t stop them from being trampled all over by the English more right-wing parliament.
You talk like the supreme court is a dictatorship. It is not.
Are you saying that the Scottish Parliament ought not to have passed pro-trans legislation, or that it was a false flag operation designed to provoke the awful consequences that the English-dominated supreme court inflicted on us all?
My original point, which you seem determined to pick holes in, was that the Scottish people, who are by and large far more left wing than the English, had the most trans-inclusive legislation in the UK. The Scots are aggrieved that yet again something progressive was overruled by an English-dominated power. Whether you agree or not that the Scots don’t like having their left wing ideals messed with by the London Parliament and the London Supreme Court, the meme is from regular trans ally Scots folks expressing Scottish solidarity with LGBT+, and I think it’s a mistake to be getting cross about that because nasty author is also a Scot and the hate group had Scottish in the name.
Nigel Farage waves the England flag; should we hate and blame all English folk for his hatred? Even those who oppose him? It’s right to be very angry and upset about what happened, but to blame all Scottish people for it and to reject anyone from Scotland who expresses sympathy and common cause with you is coming across as a bit of a counterproductive, unfair and overly broad brush.
Is that not what you’re doing when you say stuff like.
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But it’s fine to be cross about all of England because some of the judges of the case were English?
Sigh.
Some Scottish people made this meme, standing with trans folk.
Some Scottish terfs and English transphobes together overturned the Scottish trans-inclusive legislation.
Scottish Independence would mean that a majority English Parliament and a majority English wouldn’t be able to overturn Scottish legislation, and neither Scotland nor England would be facing trans erasure, trans exclusion and anti-trans discrimination. This is the sense in which particularly Scots trans folks and trans allies who want independence feel that this is another example of Scotland not being allowed to do what it chooses. But Scots who want independence largely dislike English rule rather than dislike English people.
It’s OK to be cross with the English-dominated Supreme Court, including the two Scots on it. It’s OK to be cross with nasty author and Scottish terf hate groups. It’s OK to be cross with the situation that the English-dominated Supreme Court can overrule the Scottish Parliament, (especially when the English-dominated Parliament has Parliamentary Sovereignty as a core principal and can overturn the Supreme Court in a way that the Scottish Parliament cannot, even if the current government is incorrectly treating it as constitutionally binding), and it’s OK to be cross with the situation that the overturning of that law in Scotland has now exploded over the whole of the UK spewing shit over people who are just trying to live their lives in peace.
It’s not OK to be cross with random English trans allies just because they’re English and it’s not OK to be cross with random Scottish allies just because they’re Scottish.