• Solumbran
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    I still feel like a Garak or even Quark would have fit better. Because overall there was very, very little good in Dukat.

    Because if the point is to say that “evil having the capacity for good” means 99.9% evil and 0.1% good, well to be honest it doesn’t really change much.

    I mean, I know that this isn’t really a post made to be highly philosophical but still.

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      Garak and Quark aren’t really evil imho. Opportunists, sure. But truly evil? Nah.

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        Garak was in all likelihood a spy and assassin working for the cardassians, that has absolutely no problem murdering someone if that’s the easiest solution.

        Quark is a ultracapitalist that would betray any value for money, is extremely misogynistic, does things like dealing weapons if I remember properly, and is fine with doing illegal porn holodeck programs of people without their consent. He is maybe less evil than he could have been, but on the scale he’s definitely more on the evil side.

        Obviously it all comes down to the definition of good or evil, which being undefined here makes things more blurry and up to interpretation.

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          I think you need to go watch DS9 again if that’s all you got from their characters.

          Neither of them are evil. Garak is a spy but spies aren’t evil. He killed people but so do soldiers.

          Quark isn’t evil at all. He has multiple episodes where he realizes his wrong thinking and changes his ways. Ultracapitalism isn’t great but it isn’t evil per se.

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            Yeah so I think we have a definition of what good and evil is that differs.

            Killing is immoral, and if you don’t feel any problem being ordered to kill, I see that as evil. Yes, it includes soldiers.

            Quark has multiple episodes where he changes slightly, and multiple episodes where he absolutely doesn’t. He is less obviously evil but still is. And ultracapitalism definitely is evil, I don’t see how it could not; capitalism on its own falls towards the evil side, ultracapitalism is quite obviously evil for me. And I don’t see how a system made to take advantage of others at any opportunity you get, with nothing else mattering more than materialism and money, wouldn’t be evil.