• Dasus
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    14 hours ago

    The first episode, Riker getting wet?

    That’s your “proof” that all food and drinks are real despite the contradictions we have?

    “real booze” is a matter of perspective

    Yeah, it is. And the perspective is that of someone who doesn’t consume anything. But even he could consume the virtual beverage.

    I’ve literally shown you several examples, you’ve merely implied one… from a pilot.

    Next you’re gonna argue that Worf is canonically wrong because he doesn’t look like they do in TOS. :D Same exact logic.

    The holodecks being inconsistent and literally a fantasy machine has been my point all the time. It’s you who’s argued that they’re hard scifi and completely explained. Yet you’re unable to explain anything, just repeating “tng ep1” as if that’s an argument.

    I really can’t have “lost” an argument when you’ve not even presented one.

    When you create a bar or a restaurant on the holodeck, all the food and drink there is real. You really eat and drink something, it has real flavour.

    I’ve priced that’s not true several times. You’ve not backed it up at all. Riker getting wet or Wesley throwing a snowball doesn’t mean “all food and drink is real” just because some water was

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      13 hours ago

      By gods you are thick…

      Well let’s gooooooo to memory alpha…:

      A typical holodeck consisted of a room equipped with a hologrid containing omnidirectional holographic diodes, enabling holographic projections and holograms. Elements of transporter technology and replicators were used to create holodeck matter by the manipulation of photons contained within force fields to give objects the illusion of substance as well as actual matter. This matter could exist outside of the holodeck for brief periods of time (such as snow) before they would lose cohesion and revert back to energy without the support of the hologrid. (TNG: “Encounter at Farpoint”, “The Big Goodbye”, “Elementary, Dear Data”).

      Since holodeck technology could be used with replicator technology, there were some instances where real objects were replicated within the holodeck and used to interact with the holographic program and/or users for a more realistic experience; since these objects were real material composed of matter, they could leave the holodeck fully intact. Examples of this include Wesley Crusher still being wet after leaving the holodeck after falling into replicated water, (TNG: “Encounter at Farpoint”) Lieutenant Commander Data being able to take a drawing of the Enterprise on a piece of paper out into the hallway, (TNG: “Elementary, Dear Data”) and a wayward snowball being able to pass through the holodeck doors and strike Captain Picard. (TNG: “Angel One”) Scents were also simulated in this way.

      Holograms could be augmented with force beams to simulate solid, tangible objects or with replicator technology to create actual solid matter such as foodstuffs.

      Now I’m quite done with the pointless argument. If you still think you know better, save it for a brick wall.

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        12 hours ago

        Oh you’re done being wrong? Good.

        None of what you’ve linked states that all food and drink are real. In fact, the passage specifically says (didn’t read it, did you, you dolt) that

        there were some instances where real objects were replicated within the holodeck and used to interact with the holographic program

        SOME INSTANCES

        Since when did “some instances water is replicated” mean “all food and drink, ever, is always replicated”?

        You didn’t have a good whatever your native language is called in school, did you? Because your reading comprehension sucks.

        I’ve constantly kept the point that they’re not hard scifi and completely writers will, complete soft scifi. You’ve taken the position theyre hard scifi and that ALL food and drink is replicated. You’ve a stated something incorrect. I have not.