The Argentina players celebrated their World Cup win over England with a banner saying ‘Las Malvinas son Argentinas’, making reference to the 1982 Falklands war
Falklands are result of british imperialism. Just because you settled your people on a tiny island thousands of miles away from your mainland doesnt mean you own the marine resources around it and to host army bases on it to carry out imperialism. Will of falklanders doesnt mean anything. They are just 2000 people and will be absolutely fine under argentine administration.
Just because Argentina happens to be a couple of hundred miles away doesn’t mean they are entitled to the islands, not even if they throw the biggest toddler tantrum about it.
And also, Argentine imperialism is not better than British imperialism. And no, the people living on the islands definitely do deserve a say. And they who want to stay British. They have more of a right to their own self-determination than some petulant brats in Buenos Aires.
Its basic geography. The islands are close to argentina and were taken over by the british empire which should be dead by now but is still breathing on the falklands. Its just so similar to israel how they occupied palestinian land and now made it jewish majority to claim the land only difference being one had people and other doesnt.
There is no argentine imperialism to not allow having a military outpost of british empire right at your backyard and giving them access to resources which clearly doesnt belong to them.
Also will of 1.5k-2k people doesnt matter in the bigger picture, especially not if they arent indigenous but settlers.
Your entire argument is based on proximity. Do you own your neighbors house just because it happens to be close to you? Are you happy with China taking over Tibet from the Tibetans simply because China is close by?
You even compare it to Israel and Palestine, which shows you have absolutely no idea what you are talking about. England didn’t overtake land from native people in the Falklands. They didn’t push out Argentinians or commit any genocides. They didn’t “take over” from anyone. The island was a British colony before Argentina was even a country. The islands were completely and totally uninhabited when discovered in 1690 and stayed uninhabited until France and England built colonies on the islands in 1765. The colonies were basically abandoned by all three of England (in 1774) and France/Spain (who took over France’s area) in 1811, leaving the island to be once again uninhabited until a German sailor decided to try building a fishing and cattle colony in 1823. Argentina declared independence from Spain in 1816 but was still fighting both a war with Spain and a civil war until 1825. The US didn’t like a private person owning fishing rights to an island, so we broke that shit up in 1831. The Argentinian government tried at that point to put a claim the island, but the people they put there mutinied in less than a month, and England came back to established themselves. The entirety of the Argentinian claim to the island is that they used to be a Spanish colony and that they inherited the island from Spain when they became independent, plus a 3 week stint before the people they put there said to hell with Argentina.
England was there 126 years before Argentina was a country, and they lived on the islands for roughly 9 years. Argentina spent a total of 3 weeks in control there. Nobody at any point in the history of the island wanted Argentina there. There wasn’t a native population to “imperialize.” When put to a democratic vote, 99.8% voted to stay with British rule, and the UN recognizes the right to self determination.
Do you own your neighbors house just because it happens to be close to you
Wrong analogy, correct analogy would be that if some third power from miles away puts people in your neighbor then uses those people as an excuse to carry out its own ambition and create a hostile entity claiming resources around it
Are you happy with China taking over Tibet from the Tibetans simply because China is close by?
Tibet was liberated by Mao and most tibetans support the PRC.
Literally no one gives a fuck if britain cares so much about those 3000 people they are british in the first place and they should move to britain as that climate would suit them better. No one wants a military base and a outpost of western/british imperialism on the coast of south america. Western imperialism has already caused big harms to LATAM and I dont want the facade of “self determination” (that too of settlers) to keep enabling the imperialism.
So Alaska should belong to Canada? What about cuba and the entire Caribbean? They belong to Mexico? Japan should belong to China as should Taiwan? And Israel should take Palestine? Is that what you’re saying?
Not more than allowing former colonial empire to establish control over resources around it and establish military outpost on the basis of consensus from settled populace.
Also just because europeans settled it doesnt mean their mainland own the marine resources around it and get to setup a military base, hope that helps.
Also just because europeans settled it doesnt mean their mainland own the marine resources around it and get to setup a military base, hope that helps.
But it gives Argentina the right to occupy it, because of “geographical proximity”? That’s the dumbest argument in international law, ever. Might as well justify the Turkish invasion of Cyprus, or the attempted coup of the US in Cuba.
The UK settled a population and then claims resources around the island and has established a military base there to carry out western imperialist ambitions based on consensus from that settled population.
I just hate britain so much I want them out of there. They may very well take the settled population with them as they are british and would better be suited in the birtish climate not south american climate.
Falklands are result of british imperialism. Just because you settled your people on a tiny island thousands of miles away from your mainland doesnt mean you own the marine resources around it and to host army bases on it to carry out imperialism. Will of falklanders doesnt mean anything. They are just 2000 people and will be absolutely fine under argentine administration.
Bullshit.
Just because Argentina happens to be a couple of hundred miles away doesn’t mean they are entitled to the islands, not even if they throw the biggest toddler tantrum about it.
And also, Argentine imperialism is not better than British imperialism. And no, the people living on the islands definitely do deserve a say. And they who want to stay British. They have more of a right to their own self-determination than some petulant brats in Buenos Aires.
Bullshit.
Its basic geography. The islands are close to argentina and were taken over by the british empire which should be dead by now but is still breathing on the falklands. Its just so similar to israel how they occupied palestinian land and now made it jewish majority to claim the land only difference being one had people and other doesnt.
There is no argentine imperialism to not allow having a military outpost of british empire right at your backyard and giving them access to resources which clearly doesnt belong to them.
Also will of 1.5k-2k people doesnt matter in the bigger picture, especially not if they arent indigenous but settlers.
Your entire argument is based on proximity. Do you own your neighbors house just because it happens to be close to you? Are you happy with China taking over Tibet from the Tibetans simply because China is close by?
You even compare it to Israel and Palestine, which shows you have absolutely no idea what you are talking about. England didn’t overtake land from native people in the Falklands. They didn’t push out Argentinians or commit any genocides. They didn’t “take over” from anyone. The island was a British colony before Argentina was even a country. The islands were completely and totally uninhabited when discovered in 1690 and stayed uninhabited until France and England built colonies on the islands in 1765. The colonies were basically abandoned by all three of England (in 1774) and France/Spain (who took over France’s area) in 1811, leaving the island to be once again uninhabited until a German sailor decided to try building a fishing and cattle colony in 1823. Argentina declared independence from Spain in 1816 but was still fighting both a war with Spain and a civil war until 1825. The US didn’t like a private person owning fishing rights to an island, so we broke that shit up in 1831. The Argentinian government tried at that point to put a claim the island, but the people they put there mutinied in less than a month, and England came back to established themselves. The entirety of the Argentinian claim to the island is that they used to be a Spanish colony and that they inherited the island from Spain when they became independent, plus a 3 week stint before the people they put there said to hell with Argentina.
England was there 126 years before Argentina was a country, and they lived on the islands for roughly 9 years. Argentina spent a total of 3 weeks in control there. Nobody at any point in the history of the island wanted Argentina there. There wasn’t a native population to “imperialize.” When put to a democratic vote, 99.8% voted to stay with British rule, and the UN recognizes the right to self determination.
Wrong analogy, correct analogy would be that if some third power from miles away puts people in your neighbor then uses those people as an excuse to carry out its own ambition and create a hostile entity claiming resources around it
Tibet was liberated by Mao and most tibetans support the PRC.
Literally no one gives a fuck if britain cares so much about those 3000 people they are british in the first place and they should move to britain as that climate would suit them better. No one wants a military base and a outpost of western/british imperialism on the coast of south america. Western imperialism has already caused big harms to LATAM and I dont want the facade of “self determination” (that too of settlers) to keep enabling the imperialism.
Edit: Here they are extracting billions of worth of oil from the offshores of falklands in joint venture with israelis. These resources belong to south americans not britishers, its that simple. https://buenosairesherald.com/world/international-relations/argentina-warns-it-will-take-action-over-illegal-offshore-oil-drilling-project-in-malvinas-islands
Why don’t the settlers give Argentina back to the indigenous people then?
Because there is no govt based in other side of the world controlling the resources of mainland argentina. Its that simple
Here they are extracting billions of worth of oil from the offshores of falklands in joint venture with israelis. These resources belong to south americans not britishers, its that simple. https://buenosairesherald.com/world/international-relations/argentina-warns-it-will-take-action-over-illegal-offshore-oil-drilling-project-in-malvinas-islands
Britishers should fuck off.
So Alaska should belong to Canada? What about cuba and the entire Caribbean? They belong to Mexico? Japan should belong to China as should Taiwan? And Israel should take Palestine? Is that what you’re saying?
That’s a slippery slope there watch your step.
I would like to but I dont care since those people living there arent settlers in the sense of falklanders
Again false equivalence
What are you even saying?
Thats what you believe when you say falklands belong to UK
Slippery slope is liberal hypocrisy and liberal support to colonialism
Edit: Here they are extracting billions of worth of oil from the offshores of falklands in joint venture with israelis. These resources belong to south americans not britishers, its that simple. https://buenosairesherald.com/world/international-relations/argentina-warns-it-will-take-action-over-illegal-offshore-oil-drilling-project-in-malvinas-islands
Something being in the proximity of another doesn’t make them have ownership. That’s silly.
Not more than allowing former colonial empire to establish control over resources around it and establish military outpost on the basis of consensus from settled populace.
I’d feel more bad if it wasn’t Argentina tbh
I hate Britain just so much (you could guess the reason) that I want them out of there
I have zero sympathy for British imperialists, but saying that
Is plain wrong. Fuck that and pathetic Argentinian nationalism. Hope they remain British forever.
No its not wrong as they are settled population, heck they werent even the first one to go there. You will support israel by that logic too
What are you even talking about? The Falklands were uninhabited before they were settled by Europeans.
By your own logic, you shouldn’t even support Argentina’s claim to their own mainland territory, since it was a European colony.
lol.
Also just because europeans settled it doesnt mean their mainland own the marine resources around it and get to setup a military base, hope that helps.
Right, someone was born there. Your point?
By the way, her father was French.
But it gives Argentina the right to occupy it, because of “geographical proximity”? That’s the dumbest argument in international law, ever. Might as well justify the Turkish invasion of Cyprus, or the attempted coup of the US in Cuba.
Cubans belong to that land and perhaps live there way before terrorist states of america were found. So no wrong analogy
And fuck international law, who cares what the fuck settlers think. I dont
I’m willing to bet money on the fact that you yourself are a settler in one way or another.
I am not
Argentina is a settler nation lmao. So yeah who cares what they think. There’s no legitimate Argentinian claim to the islands.
Israel displaced an existing population. The UK on the Falklands did not. Completely different story.
The UK settled a population and then claims resources around the island and has established a military base there to carry out western imperialist ambitions based on consensus from that settled population.
Here they are extracting billions of worth of oil from the offshores of falklands in joint venture with israelis. These resources belong to south americans not britishers, its that simple. https://buenosairesherald.com/world/international-relations/argentina-warns-it-will-take-action-over-illegal-offshore-oil-drilling-project-in-malvinas-islands
I just hate britain so much I want them out of there. They may very well take the settled population with them as they are british and would better be suited in the birtish climate not south american climate.
So because a French person was born there in 1830, that invalidates the colonies placed there in 1774? Makes total sense.
colonies should be invalidated. Theres no need of british outpost which hosts a military base at the coast of south america.
Edit: Here they are extracting billions of worth of oil from the offshores of falklands in joint venture with israelis. These resources belong to south americans not britishers, its that simple. https://buenosairesherald.com/world/international-relations/argentina-warns-it-will-take-action-over-illegal-offshore-oil-drilling-project-in-malvinas-islands