Free Palestein bad? It’s bad that people should have freedom and not live under a genocidal apartheid state? You got any other horrific opinions you want to share with the group? Where do you stand on bone cancer for children? Big fan I’m guessing.
im all for free palestine in terms of ending the occupation, (though i think it will lead to worse outcomes and more violence, i think they should still be given that right) but in terms of the war against hamas im 100% for it and i think israel should neutralize hamas. but when most people talk about “free palestine” they mean stopping the gaza war, but i have no problem with killing terrorists.
when you fight a war who is the terrorist isnt determined by the number of people killed on each side, it’s determined by the intentions of the people doing the killing. for instance, when the US went after ISIS it’s estimated that between 10,000 to 27,000 ISIS were killed and only 30 US people were killed.
You have to consider not only the intentions but also the capability of the threat you’re trying to mitigate. Then you have to balance those things against the cost of whatever action you intend to take.
Sure the fanciful desire of hamas might be global domination but we both know that they just don’t have any capability in that regard.
It’s absurd to suggest that it’s appropriate to grind an entire nation to dust because they might be harboring someone with desires of global domination.
i mean, you could say the exact same for the civilian deaths and damage to infrastructure when the US was fighting ISIS. at the end of the day they did a terrorist attack and said they were going to do it again, are harboring weapons, and are right at israel’s border. they clearly have capability and intent because they fire rockets at israel all the time. what is israel supposed to do, let them fire rockets at them and not fire back? not destroy the munitions they keep in hospitals? all the deaths and the destruction of the infrastructure can be blamed on hamas, not israel. and i’m not claiming hamas does have the capability of global domination, if they did they would’ve done it. i’m saying they have that intent, just like ISIS did. are we supposed to not destroy them until they gain more power and do have the ability to be a threat to the world?
actually you have it the opposite. the israeli goal is to eliminate hamas (the terrorists) and live in peace and hamas’s goal is the extinction of jews and then most likely global domination of islam as a whole.
if israel wanted to kill arabs why is 20% of their population arab? why target palestinians specifically and not arabs in general when they are the same race? what differentiates palestinians from other arabs to where israelis only want to kill palestinians but are fine in living in peace with their 20% arab population in israel?
It’s simple, the Palestinians live in territory that Israel wants to take over, and they’re flattening it all and killing civilians. They are murdering women and children. They are bombing hospitals and schools, they are sniping kids for fun. We have video. We have statements of intent to exterminate them all, whether they are Hamas or not. It’s way beyond the pale and it’s not even close.
everyone has a right to defend themselves but the civilian to combatant death ratio is anywhere from 1:1 at the lowest to 1:8 at the highest, probably realistically 1:3 or 1:4 (normal for war). israeli does not just murder children in the streets, they are fighting a war that has civilian casualties and the numbers show that.
no the israeli number is 1:1 and the independent sources say anywhere from 5:1 and 8:1, 8:1 being the highest estimate that i’ve seen. i take a middle ground between the israel number and the independent sources because it’s impossible to know the exact number during an on-going war and you have two sides giving two different numbers. clearly there are two very different methodologies to get two totally different numbers and during an on-going conflict it’s impossible to know who is right. but you’re coming at this from a premise that israel is genocidal maniacs which is showing a bias, when the reported numbers are what determines whether they are genocidal maniacs or not. but personally, i would say even with the worse case number from people who have a bias against israel it is not genocidal.
Free Palestein bad? It’s bad that people should have freedom and not live under a genocidal apartheid state? You got any other horrific opinions you want to share with the group? Where do you stand on bone cancer for children? Big fan I’m guessing.
Just block and move on. Either they’re a troll or they’re an irredeemably awful person and not worth anyone’s time.
im all for free palestine in terms of ending the occupation, (though i think it will lead to worse outcomes and more violence, i think they should still be given that right) but in terms of the war against hamas im 100% for it and i think israel should neutralize hamas. but when most people talk about “free palestine” they mean stopping the gaza war, but i have no problem with killing terrorists.
The term “terrorist” is subjective though.
The violence committed in the war against Hamas seems much worse than that caused by Hamas.
when you fight a war who is the terrorist isnt determined by the number of people killed on each side, it’s determined by the intentions of the people doing the killing. for instance, when the US went after ISIS it’s estimated that between 10,000 to 27,000 ISIS were killed and only 30 US people were killed.
That’s not really true though is it.
You have to consider not only the intentions but also the capability of the threat you’re trying to mitigate. Then you have to balance those things against the cost of whatever action you intend to take.
Sure the fanciful desire of hamas might be global domination but we both know that they just don’t have any capability in that regard.
It’s absurd to suggest that it’s appropriate to grind an entire nation to dust because they might be harboring someone with desires of global domination.
i mean, you could say the exact same for the civilian deaths and damage to infrastructure when the US was fighting ISIS. at the end of the day they did a terrorist attack and said they were going to do it again, are harboring weapons, and are right at israel’s border. they clearly have capability and intent because they fire rockets at israel all the time. what is israel supposed to do, let them fire rockets at them and not fire back? not destroy the munitions they keep in hospitals? all the deaths and the destruction of the infrastructure can be blamed on hamas, not israel. and i’m not claiming hamas does have the capability of global domination, if they did they would’ve done it. i’m saying they have that intent, just like ISIS did. are we supposed to not destroy them until they gain more power and do have the ability to be a threat to the world?
Intentions are made pretty clear when schools and hospitals are systematically destroyed.
Well the intentions of the Israelis are the extermination of entire people so yeah pretty sure we know who the real terrorists are.
actually you have it the opposite. the israeli goal is to eliminate hamas (the terrorists) and live in peace and hamas’s goal is the extinction of jews and then most likely global domination of islam as a whole.
You should at least try to be believable when you troll.
if israel wanted to kill arabs why is 20% of their population arab? why target palestinians specifically and not arabs in general when they are the same race? what differentiates palestinians from other arabs to where israelis only want to kill palestinians but are fine in living in peace with their 20% arab population in israel?
It’s simple, the Palestinians live in territory that Israel wants to take over, and they’re flattening it all and killing civilians. They are murdering women and children. They are bombing hospitals and schools, they are sniping kids for fun. We have video. We have statements of intent to exterminate them all, whether they are Hamas or not. It’s way beyond the pale and it’s not even close.
And the Palestinians don’t have a right to kill the Israeli terrorists who are murdering children in the streets of the West Bank?
everyone has a right to defend themselves but the civilian to combatant death ratio is anywhere from 1:1 at the lowest to 1:8 at the highest, probably realistically 1:3 or 1:4 (normal for war). israeli does not just murder children in the streets, they are fighting a war that has civilian casualties and the numbers show that.
Combat deaths according to whom? The genocidal maniacs who shoot babies for fun? You trust their numbers?
no the israeli number is 1:1 and the independent sources say anywhere from 5:1 and 8:1, 8:1 being the highest estimate that i’ve seen. i take a middle ground between the israel number and the independent sources because it’s impossible to know the exact number during an on-going war and you have two sides giving two different numbers. clearly there are two very different methodologies to get two totally different numbers and during an on-going conflict it’s impossible to know who is right. but you’re coming at this from a premise that israel is genocidal maniacs which is showing a bias, when the reported numbers are what determines whether they are genocidal maniacs or not. but personally, i would say even with the worse case number from people who have a bias against israel it is not genocidal.