• givesomefucks
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    13 days ago

    It’s impossible to earn the support of progressives and MAGA simultaneously.

    You think that quote means he wants “maga” to vote D?!

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      13 days ago

      Setting the goal at earning the support of “every region, every demographic, every generation” implies that the party will bend its platform to suit the xenophobic and transphobic interests of right-wing voters who might vote for a Democrat willing to vote right-wing on key issues, such as passing anti-trans legislation, avoiding any criticism of Israel, and supporting the continued existence of ICE. This is most evident when looking at the platforms of Democrats from swing states such as Ohio and Pennsylvania.

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        13 days ago

        No.

        It means to win a national election, we need to get votes from different demographics. And not just cater to the wealthy.

        Do you disagree that one of the party’s biggest flaws under neoliberalism was that they catered to the rich and ignored the working class and those in poverty?

        Like, “demographics” as in “rural making under 30k”…

        Not “racist”…

        That’s not how demographics are talked about politically, I’ve never ever heard anyone use your definition of “demographic”…

        Edit:

        But the main point was, he ain’t calling the primary early, every state will get to weigh in.

        Every potential dem voter that shows up in the primary, influences who it is in the general…

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          The Democratic Party has consistently shown that it is willing to bend on issues such as immigration to attract center-right voters to its platform. Leading Ohio Democrats have committed to anti-trans legislation for the same reason; what guarantee is there that the broader Democratic Party won’t try the same in an attempt to draw votes away from MAGA?

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            13 days ago

            The Democratic Party

            You keep using vague terms…

            The DNC?

            The politicians with a D by their name?

            The DSCC?

            The DCCC?

            Voters who vote D?

            Who the fuck are you talking about buddy?

            what guarantee is there that the broader Democratic Party won’t try the same in an attempt to draw votes away from MAGA?

            What?

            If someone gets your signature for a fake petition and sells your information…

            You pay more attention to who you give your info too. You don’t say any activism is bad and spend all your time advocating against any form of activism…

            That’s what you’re doing, I know you’re not going to understand this, but there’s no other way I can think of that may work.

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              13 days ago

              You keep using vague terms…

              There’s nothing ‘vague’ about it; you posted a quote of the DNC chair communicating the national Democratic Party’s strategy for the type of candidate they would prefer to be chosen for the 2028 presidential election, and I replied how that preference elevates the interests of predominantly xenophobic rural voters over those of progressives. Choosing conservative South Carolina as the bellwether for the primary season indicates that they want another compromise candidate that will draw center-right voters away from MAGA. This effort is also clearly visible in how the Democratic Party adjusts its platform in swing states to cater to right-wing voters.

              In a two-party system where the Democratic Party is the only viable platform for progressive policies at the national level, primary voters must reject this effort by the DNC and instead choose a progressive that will not only undo all of the shit Trump has unleashed upon the country, but push for progressive reforms as well. The same effort must be made for congressional elections as well, or much of Trump’s legacy will be allowed to remain.

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              @givesomefucks @Zedstrian Are people still falling for that? I feel bad about not donating and it seems contrary to what I believe and do.

              I’m hearing more and more about most Americans wanting to keep it this way. I just can’t find articles that back it up. But I’ve seen it when telling someone you’re voting for a dictator and get laughed at is telling (and stupid on their part). Fortunately, they’re moving idiots (for a better school when the DoE is gone and they have no clue).

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                But I’ve seen it when telling someone you’re voting for a dictator and get laughed at is telling (and stupid on their part).

                And the current DNC recognized that “trump bad” isn’t enough to win elections and pointed that out as one of Mamdani’s biggest strengths after he won his primary last year…

                Ken Martin:

                Well, first, it was a brilliant campaign. And there’s a lot of lessons.

                One is, he campaigned for something. And this is a critical piece. We can’t just be in a perpetual state of resisting Donald Trump. Of course, we have to resist Donald Trump. There’s no doubt about it for all the reasons we just talked about. But we also have to give people a sense of what we’re for, what the Democratic Party is fighting for, and what we would do if they put us back in power.

                And that’s really critical. And I think that’s one of the lessons from Mamdani’s campaign, is that he focused on affordability. He focused on a message that was resonant with voters, and he campaigned for something, not against other people or against other things. He campaigned on a vision of how he was going to make New York City a better place to live.

                I think that’s one of the lessons. The other lessons, of course, is the tactics he used to get his message out, both a very aggressive in-person campaigning, meeting voters where they’re at, and then also in those digital spaces, using very creative messaging to cut through the noise and to get to voters in an inexpensive but authentic way.

                There’s a lot to learn from that campaign, and I’m excited to learn more.

                https://www.pbs.org/newshour/show/dnc-chair-on-the-path-to-winning-back-voters-and-lessons-democrats-can-learn-from-mamdani

                The DNC won’t “pick” a candidate like that, they won’t pick any candidate.

                But they’re not going to block a candidate like that, and that’s all progressives have ever needed