By all means do something but make sure that the thing you are doing is effective and isn’t wasting time while simultaneously making life more difficult for other people.
How else can you learn to fight unless you fail along the way?
We have tried sane washing billion dollar companies while they loot all our available knowledge, art, and culture to sell back to us in the form of a garbage chat or that helps destroy the planet.
Now an anonymous blogger has given them a wonderful example of how to use disabled people to further their goals of that again, include selling back to us, our very own knowledge, art, and culture.
Nah you can miss me with this shit. I’m done.
This blogger literally ends by saying they believe all publicly available knowledge will end up free and accessible to anyone.
Is this blogger high? Do we now think the companies building a mass surveillance state are going to give us things for free?
Discouraging fighting in any form now is trying to discourage the anti AI movement. Sorry about it.
Don’t be a moron wasting your time making your own life and others worse for nothing.
Digging a hole through the center of the earth to pop up in putins safe house and dome him is also a fucking god awful stupid idea. Doesn’t mean nobody is trying.
GenAI needed to regulated years ago and I’m sorry but no amount of us asking nicely or fighting fair is going to stop technofascists from building their surveillance state.
In fact the past month has seen a huge uptick in stories about the “ineffectiveness” of fighting AI.
The timing of this while anti AI backlash is at an all time high tells me everything I need to know.
If the original comment offered solutions, different story.
There is no value in telling people to stop fighting.
“Thank god we fought for accessibility or those guys would have had a hell of time getting that wheelchair into the concentration camp.”
Fwiw I am NO stranger to accessibility as my father lost both of his legs. Do you know how often accessibility is just used to gain political favor? Or how often it is literally just horseshit for show?
Preserving our current fuckass levels of accessibility while making it even easier on GenAI companies just doesn’t feel right.
There is no value in telling people to stop fighting.
Let’s see what was written.
TLDR; It fucks up accessibility for blind people (amongst others).
Its also pretty futile imo. AI is reading billions of words from books and posts. A handful of users obfuscating their posts is not going to do anything.
I don’t believe I saw “stop fighting” in those sentences.
I did see “this fucks things up for many people, and this has little to no impact on ai scraping.”
You have a very different interpretation of those sentences from me. I’d also point out the root of the issue has nothing to do with llm’s, and everything to do with capitalism.
Maybe try fighting the cause of the problem rather than the most recent means of exploitation?
Please explain how “this isn’t effective, but does negatively impact regular people” is the same as “don’t fight back”.
I’d love to hear this explanation. Please. Enlighten me.
Edit: I will take your downvote as your response then.
Personally I find it weird that you’re simultaneously mad that people are saying “Don’t fuck over regular people” while simultaneously seeming to argue against fighting capitalism itself by trying to repeatedly reframe this as an AI/LLM issue.
Using disabled people as an excuse to discourage people from fighting isn’t right, especially when no solutions are presented.
The blogger also seems to live in a fantasy world where at the end they are all information that is publicly available will be free and in these nice LLMs and shit, to which I say that all sounds awesome!
Are the governments and corporations currently building mass surveillance really going to allow people to do this once we all have to age verify our GDID windows PCs?
I don’t like where this is going and I’ve seen disabled people used in arguments by people who know nothing of their struggles my entire life.
The cause of the problem is being bolstered by the companies that make gen AI my dude. They’re all the in the same trench coat, and they also make the accessibility laws.
I hate to tell you this but America has been captured by corporations for decades. Fuck them, and fuck anyone who dares to tell me stop fighting.
This screams astro turfing campaign against users fighting, and I’m not buying it.
The cause of the problem is being bolstered by the companies that make gen AI
Whether its gen ai or something else, the root cause is the same.
You are suggesting something that breaks things for a good number of people and has little to no impact on a specific subset of a specific type of company is the only way to fight back.
Regulated by whom? You can’t really stop someone from making tensors and scraping the web. The only good way I could see it happen would be the US enforcing it’s embargo powers, but that cat is out of the bag. I don’t see how countries like China would accept it and I also do not foresee the US trying the entire rest of the world to agree to a trade embargo with China either. Especially nowadays where the US showed multiple times that they are an unreliable partner. Even open local models are strong enough to probably scrape stuff on their own.
“it’s inevitable don’t fight it”.
Did you get that right from Altman?
What a ridiculous strawman.
By all means do something but make sure that the thing you are doing is effective and isn’t wasting time while simultaneously making life more difficult for other people.
Don’t let perfect be the enemy of good.
How else can you learn to fight unless you fail along the way?
We have tried sane washing billion dollar companies while they loot all our available knowledge, art, and culture to sell back to us in the form of a garbage chat or that helps destroy the planet.
Now an anonymous blogger has given them a wonderful example of how to use disabled people to further their goals of that again, include selling back to us, our very own knowledge, art, and culture.
Nah you can miss me with this shit. I’m done.
This blogger literally ends by saying they believe all publicly available knowledge will end up free and accessible to anyone.
Is this blogger high? Do we now think the companies building a mass surveillance state are going to give us things for free?
Discouraging fighting in any form now is trying to discourage the anti AI movement. Sorry about it.
Be effective.
Don’t be a moron wasting your time making your own life and others worse for nothing.
Digging a hole through the center of the earth to pop up in putins safe house and dome him is also a fucking god awful stupid idea. Doesn’t mean nobody is trying.
Jesus Christ dude 🤦♂️
The way to be effective is to fight.
GenAI needed to regulated years ago and I’m sorry but no amount of us asking nicely or fighting fair is going to stop technofascists from building their surveillance state.
In fact the past month has seen a huge uptick in stories about the “ineffectiveness” of fighting AI.
The timing of this while anti AI backlash is at an all time high tells me everything I need to know.
If the original comment offered solutions, different story.
There is no value in telling people to stop fighting.
“Thank god we fought for accessibility or those guys would have had a hell of time getting that wheelchair into the concentration camp.”
Fwiw I am NO stranger to accessibility as my father lost both of his legs. Do you know how often accessibility is just used to gain political favor? Or how often it is literally just horseshit for show?
Preserving our current fuckass levels of accessibility while making it even easier on GenAI companies just doesn’t feel right.
Let’s see what was written.
I don’t believe I saw “stop fighting” in those sentences.
I did see “this fucks things up for many people, and this has little to no impact on ai scraping.”
You have a very different interpretation of those sentences from me. I’d also point out the root of the issue has nothing to do with llm’s, and everything to do with capitalism.
Maybe try fighting the cause of the problem rather than the most recent means of exploitation?
This is the part implying that there is nothing worth doing:
no, that says this specific thing is not worth doing.
Have you heard of implication? Here are two definitions of “imply”, from https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/imply:
Thank you.
Reading truly is fundamental.
Please explain how “this isn’t effective, but does negatively impact regular people” is the same as “don’t fight back”.
I’d love to hear this explanation. Please. Enlighten me.
Edit: I will take your downvote as your response then.
Personally I find it weird that you’re simultaneously mad that people are saying “Don’t fuck over regular people” while simultaneously seeming to argue against fighting capitalism itself by trying to repeatedly reframe this as an AI/LLM issue.
I didn’t downvote you lol.
This is an AI LLM issue.
Using disabled people as an excuse to discourage people from fighting isn’t right, especially when no solutions are presented.
The blogger also seems to live in a fantasy world where at the end they are all information that is publicly available will be free and in these nice LLMs and shit, to which I say that all sounds awesome!
Are the governments and corporations currently building mass surveillance really going to allow people to do this once we all have to age verify our GDID windows PCs?
I don’t like where this is going and I’ve seen disabled people used in arguments by people who know nothing of their struggles my entire life.
The cause of the problem is being bolstered by the companies that make gen AI my dude. They’re all the in the same trench coat, and they also make the accessibility laws.
I hate to tell you this but America has been captured by corporations for decades. Fuck them, and fuck anyone who dares to tell me stop fighting.
This screams astro turfing campaign against users fighting, and I’m not buying it.
Whether its gen ai or something else, the root cause is the same.
You are suggesting something that breaks things for a good number of people and has little to no impact on a specific subset of a specific type of company is the only way to fight back.
That is nonsense.
I am not saying that is the only way. Comprehension is fun.
I am saying that trying to actively snuff out the embers of fighting is wrong and the author presents zero solutions
Regulated by whom? You can’t really stop someone from making tensors and scraping the web. The only good way I could see it happen would be the US enforcing it’s embargo powers, but that cat is out of the bag. I don’t see how countries like China would accept it and I also do not foresee the US trying the entire rest of the world to agree to a trade embargo with China either. Especially nowadays where the US showed multiple times that they are an unreliable partner. Even open local models are strong enough to probably scrape stuff on their own.