Except this whole post is about how women say “all men” and men refuting that.
Violence against women is a serious problem. Rape, murder, physical/emotional torture. They all exist and it’s abhorrent in every sense.
As I’ve said before, teach your sons how to be good people but stop putting your trauma on them. A mother telling her son all the bad things men have done to her is one thing. A mother telling her son that all men are evil is completely different.
I’m not trying to take away from the fact that a lot of men raise their sons this way. I hate those men with a burning passion. I’m just saying that all these posts and messages and shit aren’t helping, and in a lot of cases are actually making things worse, because the type of man that would do these things isn’t gonna listen and the type of man that wouldn’t do these things is gonna feel attacked because they know they’d never do those things.
Idk how to fix the problem. I’m not part of it. I call other men out for their behavior. I’ve personally stopped several men from hurting women. But I’m still lumped in because it’s “all men”.
Oh trust me I’m aware of who Simon is and I feel disgusting debating all this because I understand the real meaning behind it.
I’m just trying to say the messaging isn’t reaching or impacting the men you’re trying to call out. All it’s doing is causing boys who did nothing to fall down the alt-right pipeline that leads to becoming the men you’re trying to call out
Because I’m smart enough to realize that the type of man who’s willing to rape someone isn’t gonna be deterred by any of this. He’s gonna do it regardless.
The man who beats his wife isn’t gonna see a billboard that says “beating women is wrong” and suddenly go “my god, I should really stop beating my wife”
Because I’m smart enough to realize that the type of man who’s willing to rape someone isn’t gonna be deterred by any of this. He’s gonna do it regardless.
So we just give up and say it’s in the nature of man to rape? We can’t fix this?
I have much higher views of men and their ability to empathize and be kind.
Like I’ve previously said, I don’t have a solution. I wish I did because holy shit this is all fucked.
I wish I had a higher view of men, hell of humans in general. But I’ve studied history and it’s been fucked from the beginning. Hence me being a misanthrope.
If you’re a misanthrope and don’t have a solution then move the fuck out of the way. You have little to contribute here. I suspect that despite what I just said, you’re still going to respond to this.
Because I’m smart enough to realize that the type of man who’s willing to rape someone isn’t gonna be deterred by any of this. He’s gonna do it regardless.
That’s not who this is directed at. Rapists aren’t using #notallmen. It’s pointed at the dudes who feel the need to chime in “well, i’m not a rapist” when women talk about the things they’ve experienced. Those dudes aren’t helping. Simply not being a rapist isn’t enough. It’s about shutting down/educating dudes who have toxic attitudes towards women and to stop perpetuating the things that make stuff like what happened at Cornell so common.
The man who beats his wife isn’t gonna see a billboard
Okay, I have one more thing to say to anyone who happens to wander down here, I guess: This is very funny because the campaign he’s referring to did reduce domestic violence cases. So without having to explain why, we already know that he’s wrong.
I am so sick of pretending that we ought to take activism advice from people who are doing nothing with their lives. Do you think this guy has ever purchased a billboard? What the fuck would he know?
A mother telling her son that all men are evil is completely different.
Buddy, please, listen to me. This is a conversation happening in your head only. Listen to the words actually being said and not the ones you feel like you’re hearing.
the type of man that wouldn’t do these things is gonna feel attacked because they know they’d never do those things.
Can you explain how this knowledge is hurting anyone? To me, I mean: as a man, I need to know how I’m being attacked here.
all these posts and messages and shit aren’t helping,
The way that we prevent a majority of these rapes and accidental rapes from happening is overwhelming social pressure. It is very difficult to do something like this while people are watching.
You are actually working against the solution by being such a twit about the subject.
I say “accidental rapes,” by the way, because there are a lot of men out there who literally do not know they’re doing it because they have not been taught consent.
But I’m still lumped in because it’s “all men”.
As I say to all men I talk to about this, you are putting yourself in that category. I don’t know why. It seems kind of fucking stupid. Like as if you were arming a bear trap while standing in the center of it.
And don’t get on me for being mean to you, by the way, because as much sympathy as I have for you, and as much as I want you to finally get it and succeed, I find your attitude about this to be really fucking annoying. It’s tiresome talking to people like you about this.
Except this whole post is about how women say “all men” and men refuting that.
Violence against women is a serious problem. Rape, murder, physical/emotional torture. They all exist and it’s abhorrent in every sense.
As I’ve said before, teach your sons how to be good people but stop putting your trauma on them. A mother telling her son all the bad things men have done to her is one thing. A mother telling her son that all men are evil is completely different.
I’m not trying to take away from the fact that a lot of men raise their sons this way. I hate those men with a burning passion. I’m just saying that all these posts and messages and shit aren’t helping, and in a lot of cases are actually making things worse, because the type of man that would do these things isn’t gonna listen and the type of man that wouldn’t do these things is gonna feel attacked because they know they’d never do those things.
Idk how to fix the problem. I’m not part of it. I call other men out for their behavior. I’ve personally stopped several men from hurting women. But I’m still lumped in because it’s “all men”.
What? No it’s not. Did you read the posted image? Simon Pegg is a man, btw.
No shit. That you are blaming mothers for how their sons turn out is telling. It’s not women’s sole responsibility to make sure men don’t rape us.
Oh trust me I’m aware of who Simon is and I feel disgusting debating all this because I understand the real meaning behind it.
I’m just trying to say the messaging isn’t reaching or impacting the men you’re trying to call out. All it’s doing is causing boys who did nothing to fall down the alt-right pipeline that leads to becoming the men you’re trying to call out
How do you know unless you are one of those men?
Because I’m smart enough to realize that the type of man who’s willing to rape someone isn’t gonna be deterred by any of this. He’s gonna do it regardless.
The man who beats his wife isn’t gonna see a billboard that says “beating women is wrong” and suddenly go “my god, I should really stop beating my wife”
So we just give up and say it’s in the nature of man to rape? We can’t fix this?
I have much higher views of men and their ability to empathize and be kind.
Like I’ve previously said, I don’t have a solution. I wish I did because holy shit this is all fucked.
I wish I had a higher view of men, hell of humans in general. But I’ve studied history and it’s been fucked from the beginning. Hence me being a misanthrope.
If you’re a misanthrope and don’t have a solution then move the fuck out of the way. You have little to contribute here. I suspect that despite what I just said, you’re still going to respond to this.
That’s not who this is directed at. Rapists aren’t using #notallmen. It’s pointed at the dudes who feel the need to chime in “well, i’m not a rapist” when women talk about the things they’ve experienced. Those dudes aren’t helping. Simply not being a rapist isn’t enough. It’s about shutting down/educating dudes who have toxic attitudes towards women and to stop perpetuating the things that make stuff like what happened at Cornell so common.
Okay, I have one more thing to say to anyone who happens to wander down here, I guess: This is very funny because the campaign he’s referring to did reduce domestic violence cases. So without having to explain why, we already know that he’s wrong.
I am so sick of pretending that we ought to take activism advice from people who are doing nothing with their lives. Do you think this guy has ever purchased a billboard? What the fuck would he know?
No, it’s not. Please stop talking out of your ass.
Buddy, please, listen to me. This is a conversation happening in your head only. Listen to the words actually being said and not the ones you feel like you’re hearing.
Can you explain how this knowledge is hurting anyone? To me, I mean: as a man, I need to know how I’m being attacked here.
The way that we prevent a majority of these rapes and accidental rapes from happening is overwhelming social pressure. It is very difficult to do something like this while people are watching.
You are actually working against the solution by being such a twit about the subject.
I say “accidental rapes,” by the way, because there are a lot of men out there who literally do not know they’re doing it because they have not been taught consent.
As I say to all men I talk to about this, you are putting yourself in that category. I don’t know why. It seems kind of fucking stupid. Like as if you were arming a bear trap while standing in the center of it.
And don’t get on me for being mean to you, by the way, because as much sympathy as I have for you, and as much as I want you to finally get it and succeed, I find your attitude about this to be really fucking annoying. It’s tiresome talking to people like you about this.