Look. You use whatever excuses you need to cope with the situation. But at the end of the day, you better get used to living under a dictatorship because thats where you’ll be.
“Do what I tell you to do, or you’re just making excuses! There couldn’t possibly be other real factors that affect peoples’ lives that I haven’t considered!”
Man, how astute and useful. Do you think this won you the argument?
The fact is you all want to see one thing: for all those guns Americans own to be turned on each other. If you think that you’re advocating for anything else - or if you think there will be any other outcome - I don’t know what to tell you.
It’s real fucking easy to wag your finger and say, “Just do X!” as though we’d never thought of that!
Get a clue and understand that you don’t understand.
I said other countries above, but obviously there are different levels. Western Europe isn’t at that stage yet (but you could argue the current situation in Europe doesn’t warrant such extreme protests yet and they would if it was warranted).
But some of the protests in, for example, Georgia (the country) over the last few years, are probably on that level and with good reason. And they should be respected—which you are not doing with those types of comments
Could be relevant if anyone had been talking about Georgia or it was in the meme. The only non-Western European country in there is Serbia, and it’s not Eastern European, it’s Southeastern European along with Greece et al.
Deleted my previous comment about 3 min after posting, wrote too quickly and missed point. Take 2.
Mate, this doesn’t show just Western Europe + Serbia. Albania is there too. I’m sorry that this memetic content does not satisfy certain implicit criteria you seem to have about generalising to the certain regions of Europe—ie those which have been protesting more than the last few weeks. And given all that, I have no idea what your point is. Protests that have had significant impact on people’s daily lives through protesting are not just during the Arabic spring but there are modern examples in Europe. If you agree with that, then what’s the discussion about?
Albania and Serbia are in the same region (and I didn’t decide that, the ‘Permanent Committee on Geographical Names - Ständiger Ausschuss für geographische Namen (StAGN)’ did), should have added that in my original comment but got distracted by my bus stop coming up.
My point is that sneering at Americans for not doing sufficient protest while tailcoat riding the Arab Spring protests as a European is hypocritical.
People are getting killed and maimed in the US for protesting, acting like everyone is sitting home twiddling their thumbs is just chugging the media narrative you’re fed.
I don’t think the problem is with those who protest (more than on certain big days)—there are many and they have my respect. it’s the excuses of those who don’t. So if you think I have a lack of respect for the Americans who protest at the moment, that is not my intention.
They are just the minority.
Then it’s the problem of some who do something (or anything—attend on protest) and think it’s enough. Like Europeans who protest on May 1st and think that’s enough. But there are differences between those groups too. But everywhere can do better. But some are further away than others
He said other countries. Not Europe. Dont be obtuse. If he meant Europe he should have said that or he has no consideration for how vast the world is or how dangerous it is for people elsewhere. Either way, its an ignorant statement.
That is not the choice we face. Disruptive protesting gets you killed in this country unless you’re “protesting” for fascism.
I do think other countries risk less when they protest, yes.
Ah yes, the Arab spring was famous for being low risk. Nobody died or risked their lives at all.
Jesus, this does not help the stereotype of Americans being ignorant as fuck about the world.
That’s a strawman argument. The Arabs were united enough to succeed.
Jesus, this does not help the stereotype of the angry internet commenter upon whom nuance and understanding are lost.
Look. You use whatever excuses you need to cope with the situation. But at the end of the day, you better get used to living under a dictatorship because thats where you’ll be.
“Do what I tell you to do, or you’re just making excuses! There couldn’t possibly be other real factors that affect peoples’ lives that I haven’t considered!”
Cool strawman. May I borrow it for halloween?
Cool armchair Mr. warrior, do you ever get out of it?
Ad hominem. Very nice. Which is next on the menu?
Buddy, you started this whole conversation with ad hominem against an entire nation, as if it were valid to judge them all collectively.
Man, how astute and useful. Do you think this won you the argument?
The fact is you all want to see one thing: for all those guns Americans own to be turned on each other. If you think that you’re advocating for anything else - or if you think there will be any other outcome - I don’t know what to tell you.
It’s real fucking easy to wag your finger and say, “Just do X!” as though we’d never thought of that!
Get a clue and understand that you don’t understand.
I’m sorry but comparing protesting in Europe to protesting in the Arab spring is nothing but auto-fellation.
I said other countries above, but obviously there are different levels. Western Europe isn’t at that stage yet (but you could argue the current situation in Europe doesn’t warrant such extreme protests yet and they would if it was warranted). But some of the protests in, for example, Georgia (the country) over the last few years, are probably on that level and with good reason. And they should be respected—which you are not doing with those types of comments
Could be relevant if anyone had been talking about Georgia or it was in the meme. The only non-Western European country in there is Serbia, and it’s not Eastern European, it’s Southeastern European along with Greece et al.
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Deleted my previous comment about 3 min after posting, wrote too quickly and missed point. Take 2.
Mate, this doesn’t show just Western Europe + Serbia. Albania is there too. I’m sorry that this memetic content does not satisfy certain implicit criteria you seem to have about generalising to the certain regions of Europe—ie those which have been protesting more than the last few weeks. And given all that, I have no idea what your point is. Protests that have had significant impact on people’s daily lives through protesting are not just during the Arabic spring but there are modern examples in Europe. If you agree with that, then what’s the discussion about?
Albania and Serbia are in the same region (and I didn’t decide that, the ‘Permanent Committee on Geographical Names - Ständiger Ausschuss für geographische Namen (StAGN)’ did), should have added that in my original comment but got distracted by my bus stop coming up.
My point is that sneering at Americans for not doing sufficient protest while tailcoat riding the Arab Spring protests as a European is hypocritical.
People are getting killed and maimed in the US for protesting, acting like everyone is sitting home twiddling their thumbs is just chugging the media narrative you’re fed.
I don’t think the problem is with those who protest (more than on certain big days)—there are many and they have my respect. it’s the excuses of those who don’t. So if you think I have a lack of respect for the Americans who protest at the moment, that is not my intention. They are just the minority.
Then it’s the problem of some who do something (or anything—attend on protest) and think it’s enough. Like Europeans who protest on May 1st and think that’s enough. But there are differences between those groups too. But everywhere can do better. But some are further away than others
He said other countries. Not Europe. Dont be obtuse. If he meant Europe he should have said that or he has no consideration for how vast the world is or how dangerous it is for people elsewhere. Either way, its an ignorant statement.
Must be convenient to lose all knowledge of what the entire thread is about to debate-lawyer.
Youre being deliberately obtuse. I know it. You know it.
Me when I pretend I can’t see the meme directly at the top of the page because someone said “other countries”: 🤡