I hope this sort of post is allowed here. I’ve been working on this but I’m not very knowledgeable on guns so I’m not super sure of my guesses. Specifically I’m trying to work out what sort of ammunition each uses, but the type/model of gun would help too.

Edit: I think my image did not upload. I uploaded it to Postimg here: https://i.postimg.cc/0QW3mRbM/230425234656.jpg

  • clif
    4•1 year ago
    1. M3 sub machine gun (aka “grease gun”) chambered in .45 ACP : https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/M3_submachine_gun
    2. I thought this was going to be a M16 with M203 grenade launcher but the upper receiver doesn’t look right and there’s no buffer tube… which means it can’t be a M16. What confuses me more is the magazine looks exactly like the old steel 30 round magazines for a M16. Based on the magazine alone, I’d say it’s chambered in 5.56x45 NATO (similar to .223 Remington). Maybe someone who knows firearms from that era can provide more info.
    3. No idea
    4. Best I can tell based on the picture - 1911 in .45 ACP
    5. Same as #2 - kind of looks like a M16/M4 but isn’t unless there’s a buffer tube under that stock wrap. And, based on the stock style it’s probably a folding stock which eliminates M16’s in that time frame. There are aftermarket doodads to allow folding stocks on that style rifle now but I wouldn’t expect them to show up in this area
    6. Not sure.
    7. No clue
    8. Probably an AK of some type (with no magazine see EDIT) based on the fire selector switch, dent in the receiver, gas block, and stock. Presumably with the long eye relief scope mounted on the rear sight block. I don’t have a ton of confidence in this guess but that’s the best I can do. If so, AKs are typically chambered in either 7.62x39 or 5.45x39 depending on the model.

    EDIT : I realized there is a magazine in #8. I wasn’t looking closely enough. Definitely an AK.

    Hope this helps but take everything I said here with a grain of salt - I could definitely be wrong or missing something.

    Now, I’ll wait for someone to ID #2 because I’m super curious.

    EDIT x2 : Based on the chunky gas block on #2 and #5 I’d guess that it’s piston operated which further eliminates the option of M16 but does explain the lack of a buffer tube. The interesting part is that the left side of the receiver on #5 looks almost exactly like an aluminum receiver from the M16/M4 style of rifles. It’s somewhat rounded in the middle with a rectangular outcropping near the front. I’ve never heard of anything in wide circulation that uses effectively a M16/M4 receiver but is piston operated rather than gas impingement (there are piston operated AR-15s but they’re kind of niche). Very curious.

    • @[email protected]
      4•1 year ago

      I’m wondering if 2 and 5 are variants of the Galil. There’s also might be a FAL in the mix for one of the other unknowns. I’m on mobile so it was really hard to get a great look.

    • @Agent641OP
      2•1 year ago

      Thank you! Yes I agree that #1 is the grease gun. At first I thought it was Baretta M12 but with a longer barrel mod (maybe a butchered suppressor) but you’re right it matches the M3.

      After some more searching I found the wikipedia page for the indonesian armed forces equipment: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_equipment_of_the_Indonesian_Army

      I think 5 might be the Pindad SS2, based on the stock (mainly the foresight and the number of holes in the heat shield thing) and 6 might be the Pindad SS1 based on the stock shape, the cone-looking formation near the front sight, and lack of a rail.

      I would assume that 4 is the Pindad P1, a clone of the browning hi-power just because it standard issue for the TNI, and i doubt anyone will get a better guess at it.

      #2 stumps me because of the stock, it looks similar to the SS2, but the raised bit on the top of the stock with the 3 holes near the rear doesn’t fit, and the loadout with the rails and GL doesn’t match anything I saw.

      Pindad seem to not be shy about cloning parts of other guns, so that might be why they all look so familiar, yet different.

      • clif
        1•1 year ago

        Based on that info, I wouldn’t be surprised if #4 is the Pindad P1. Just seeing the front/top, I could easily confuse a 1911 and a Hi-Power… or even a Tokarev maybe. But, it looks like they do have 1911’s listed on that page too so it’s a toss up from me.

        And I think you’re right on the Pindad - especially the SS2 for #5. Gas block/front sight, receiver, stock and caliber all match. I’d never heard of these - nice find!

        I’m a tiny bit proud of guessing that it was piston operated based on the gas block : D