From my kids schooling, sex ed in early grades focuses on consent (“Don’t touch people if they say no”), acceptance of differences (“Don’t make fun of someone cuz they look/act different”), and acceptance of self (“try to understand your own feelings”).
I haven’t seen anything about pushing an agenda beyond personal autonomy. Can you tell me where you heard about this kind of agenda?
Sure, and the “don’t touch me there, thats my no no square” programming I think is good, and productive.
The issue I have is the ‘later’ grades education. For me (class of 2020) the latest education I received regarding sexual education was in fifth grade, where we were taught absolutely everything. All of the intercourses, all of the anatomy.
There was no follow up, there was no peer to peer discussion, only adults telling us what the world was.
My argument is not that we shouldn’t teach people all about sex and even sexual identities, only that we should teach them later in life, when people feel more confident in standing up to authority, and thinking for themselves.
If a person is gay, lesbian, or trans, they will know, so why do they need to be educated by someone who likely knows less than them? (Aka adult teacher).
Acceptance is a slightly different issue, just as we learn to not point at people with disabilities, all people should learn to not point at someone who cross dresses, and furthermore should try to befriend them, just as in the case of a disabled person
If a person is gay, lesbian, or trans, they will know,
I’m not sure that is the case. Two of my cohort didn’t come out until they were much, much older. One came out as gay in his thirties, the other transitioned in her forties. Both experimented with cis relationships. Both found what they were looking for elsewhere. It took decades to figure that out.
so why do they need to be educated by someone who likely knows less than them?
I think it takes some people a while to figure things out. Especially if it means doing something outside their experience.
I would think that letting kids know about other sexualities early would help them understand why they aren’t interested in what their peers are up to.
the latest education I received regarding sexual education was in fifth grade,
I’m closer to the class of 2000 - I’m surprised that the last round of sex ed you received was only grade 5. I’m pretty sure we got a rundown on straight sex (focusing on STDs/pregnancy/condoms) and a warning about gay sex (AIDS! srsly) in grade five or six, and then a reminder in grade 8 or 9.
There was no follow up, there was no peer to peer discussion, only adults telling us what the world was.
What kind of follow-up would have made sense?
we shouldn’t teach people all about sex and even sexual identities, only that we should teach them later in life, when people feel more confident in standing up to authority, and thinking for themselves
What kind of standing up are you referring to? When I hear “standing up”, I think of people protecting something. Is that what you mean?
I like how you’re arbitrarily setting the line to which we all should believe and follow actual experts and where we should ignore them.
Are there other areas where you know more than professionals with accreditation and decades of experience and are thus best to determine where the line is better than they can?
From my kids schooling, sex ed in early grades focuses on consent (“Don’t touch people if they say no”), acceptance of differences (“Don’t make fun of someone cuz they look/act different”), and acceptance of self (“try to understand your own feelings”).
I haven’t seen anything about pushing an agenda beyond personal autonomy. Can you tell me where you heard about this kind of agenda?
If I’d have gotten that might not have been assaulted
Sure, and the “don’t touch me there, thats my no no square” programming I think is good, and productive.
The issue I have is the ‘later’ grades education. For me (class of 2020) the latest education I received regarding sexual education was in fifth grade, where we were taught absolutely everything. All of the intercourses, all of the anatomy.
There was no follow up, there was no peer to peer discussion, only adults telling us what the world was.
My argument is not that we shouldn’t teach people all about sex and even sexual identities, only that we should teach them later in life, when people feel more confident in standing up to authority, and thinking for themselves.
If a person is gay, lesbian, or trans, they will know, so why do they need to be educated by someone who likely knows less than them? (Aka adult teacher).
Acceptance is a slightly different issue, just as we learn to not point at people with disabilities, all people should learn to not point at someone who cross dresses, and furthermore should try to befriend them, just as in the case of a disabled person
I’m not sure that is the case. Two of my cohort didn’t come out until they were much, much older. One came out as gay in his thirties, the other transitioned in her forties. Both experimented with cis relationships. Both found what they were looking for elsewhere. It took decades to figure that out.
I think it takes some people a while to figure things out. Especially if it means doing something outside their experience.
I would think that letting kids know about other sexualities early would help them understand why they aren’t interested in what their peers are up to.
I’m closer to the class of 2000 - I’m surprised that the last round of sex ed you received was only grade 5. I’m pretty sure we got a rundown on straight sex (focusing on STDs/pregnancy/condoms) and a warning about gay sex (AIDS! srsly) in grade five or six, and then a reminder in grade 8 or 9.
What kind of follow-up would have made sense?
What kind of standing up are you referring to? When I hear “standing up”, I think of people protecting something. Is that what you mean?
I like how you’re arbitrarily setting the line to which we all should believe and follow actual experts and where we should ignore them.
Are there other areas where you know more than professionals with accreditation and decades of experience and are thus best to determine where the line is better than they can?
Wanna bet it was Fox News? They’re not “far-right” though. 🙄