Let’s put some life into this sub. I don’t think degrowth is possible under capitalism because the imperative to degrow contradicts the capitalist drive for the creation of value (valorization) which must always grow under capitalism’
Let’s put some life into this sub. I don’t think degrowth is possible under capitalism because the imperative to degrow contradicts the capitalist drive for the creation of value (valorization) which must always grow under capitalism’
Wow. First, degrowth isn’t austerity or recession, it’s about focusing on improving human welfare instead of profits. This innately challenges the asymmetry of the workers and owners. Degrowth is also about decreasing work, something inherently challenging to the capitalist mode of production.
Finally, of course capitalism is the problem. Consumerism is a symptom of capitalism, not the root cause of the ecological crisis.
Then it is the worst possible word chosen for this philosophy. You don’t need degrowth to decrease work. And the lack of growth always meant and still means for most people that life is getting shitty, so you will never convince anyone that degrowth is good thing.
“De” in Latin and similar languages means away rather then against, that would be anti. Like in delivery, deliberate, deescaltion and so forth.
I know a few people who choose to work less hours and get paid less, as they value their free time more or took jobs with lower pay, which are more fun to them. It happens all the time in the real world, but intresstingly our political and economic system has a lot of problems with that. Obviously that is a very different situation then having a lot of free time due to being fired. That is basicly the difference between degrowth and a recession. One is exchanging GDP for something of value, the other is a problem in the system.
Well, maybe it’s an English thing. In French décroissance is the opposite of croissance. But I’m not sure it’s well perceived either in English countries.
That’s the problem I’m talking about: only privileged people can see degrowth as a good thing, because they’re already swimming in more than they can live with. Most people, even in rich countries, are poor. They don’t want to hear about decreasing their way of life because they’re already on the floor and on the verge of poverty, if they’re not outright into it.
The very concept of degrowth needs to die and be replaced by a new one. Because it’s a concept that’s only useful for the bourgeoisie right now. It’s a concept for privileged people who want to feel better about it and do something. It is very much part of the liberal mindset of the privigeled people of these countries. The very idea that the change comes from the people behaviours rather than the system itself.
The richest 10% are responsible for about half of global emissions. That also works for energy, income and most other things in that area. Globally we have a bit over 18% low carbon primary energy. Since emissions and energy are closely related, that pretty much means that you can lower global emissions by 2/3 or so by bringing down the global top 10% emitters to a bit over global average. To be in the top 10% of incomes your income needs to be above $35,000 per year. That is above the median income of Norway, Luxembourg or the US. So even in the richest countries most of the population does not have to cut back.
Hey.
Most degrowth advocates I’ve seen or read in France are not talking about lifestyle changes for individuals - or at least, not without radical changes in the organization of society.
I agree that blaming poor people for driving shitty cars and living in poorly insulated buildings is stupid and counter-productive. But that’s how ecology is concieved by the ruling political class, not degrowth advocates.