Germany racked up one economic success after another for most of this century. But the loss of Russian natural gas due to the war in Ukraine has dealt a severe blow to its industry through higher energy costs.
Basicly 16 years of stoping all green projects and then being hit by a fossil fuel crisis. The fact of the matter is that Germany had the lowest industrial electricity prices for decades, by moving the cost to households, which got some of the highest prices in Europe due to that. Gas was cheap and nearly not taxed at all. All of that in a system with clear caps on emissions and well something has to give.
Even worse a massive unwillingness to pay for infrastructure using debt. Germany is in good shape financially and it would be relativly easy to just pay for a lot of infrastrucuture. That is partly happening, but obviously there are also labour, material and time problems making this take years to finish.
Then there is a massive problem with consumption. Wages have not kept up with inflation, while there are worker shortages. Welcome to a perfectly working labour market. Anyway that obviously means less consumption in Germany, which hurts the economy.
However there is no reason that some good governance could not solve it and it is a fossil fuel crisis, which destroys industries based on processes we do not want to use due to climate change. It could be an extremly healthy crisis if managed well.
he fact of the matter is that Germany had the lowest industrial electricity prices for decades, by moving the cost to households, which got some of the highest prices in Europe due to that.
Two parts really. First of all Germany is using guranteed prices for renewables, but the plant operators still have to sell it on the electricity exchange. So when there is renewable elecricity the prices fall a lot. To still create a fair price the cost for those feed in tariffs obviously cost money, which was added on the electricity price of households and small companies.
The other one is lowering grid operating costs for large consumers to below market value. Those costs again needed to be paid, so they were added to households and small companies.
That ended up with half the cost of German household electricity being taxes and other payments to the government. That massivly delayed heat pump installations and electric car sales in Germany, as they were not able to compete as well with gas heating or combustion engines.
not to forget that we have a lot of industry in the south but the wealthy southern NIMBYs fought against renewables and transmission lines, so the renewable energy in the north was virtually sold to the south but couldnt get there so they had to run the fossil plants there. This “system service” was then paid for by the people in the north. So instead of using clean energy cheaply the people had to pay extra for shutting down plants in the north and run dirty ones in the south.
Of course creating two market zones as called for by experts was fought teeth and nails by the southern states. German federalism with the superiority complex and robbery attitude from Bavaria and Baden-Wurttenberg is a bane on the countries development.
Nuclear power plants last 40 years or so, before they need a large scale refurbishment or be replaced. All but the last three plants were roughly at that age and even the last three were 35 years old at the time they were shut down. If you want to see why, just look at the issues France has with its aging nuclear power plants in the last couple years.
Yes and no. The og plan was made before Merkel. Merkel slowed the trasition down. But suddently Fukushima hit and the anti nuclear greens had good chances in the upcoming state election. So she closed the powerplans in hope to win an election but the plan was to shut them down anyway but now with less renewables than there should be.
Most nuclear plants operate in a perpetual state of "well we could shut it down with this plan here but we might as well pay more to keep it running since it’s already there. "
They’re like NASA projects: the project timeline is projected to underdeliver because the worst part about these projects is the initial approval and construction cost: once it gets approved, it’s more economical to keep it running than to shut it down and find an alternative.
But let’s talk about that 3%. Let’s say you took all of it worldwide and stacked it all up. It would be the size of a football field and 200ft high.
Any source for this?
Because the only viable long term storage project i am aware of is in Finland and the facility is magnitudes larger than a football field. And that is just for storing the waste of one country with a very small population.
Also while we talk hundreds of thousands of years for the highly radioactive waste, the medium and low radioactive waste is still a concern for longer times e.g. hundreds of years to a few thousand years. You realize that just 200 years ago the horse was the hottest shit in terms of transportation?
But to get back to your football field analogy. Even if the numbers add up right now, i calculated with the 250.000 tonnes HLW from 2010 and the analogy fits the measurements of our HLW containers, the amount would become much larger with expanding the use of nuclear power. And that is ignoring that the whole thing would melt down and probably explode because you cannot put the containers so close to each other. That is why they have to put each container into its own tomb and nicely space it out. So the facilities will be gigantic, very expensive and again not resolving the issue of the other 97% of waste that you also need to put somewhere.
But how about this? We just put all the nuclear waste into your country, seal off all rivers and aquifiers and put a large concrete wall to keep all people and wildlife in. Then if in 500 years everything is aokay with the waste and your storage facilities did not deteriorate, you can get out again. In the meantime we pay you in food and materials for your service to mankind. Sounds good? If not, then why dont you want to take the waste you just explained to not be an issue at all?
Basicly 16 years of stoping all green projects and then being hit by a fossil fuel crisis. The fact of the matter is that Germany had the lowest industrial electricity prices for decades, by moving the cost to households, which got some of the highest prices in Europe due to that. Gas was cheap and nearly not taxed at all. All of that in a system with clear caps on emissions and well something has to give.
Even worse a massive unwillingness to pay for infrastructure using debt. Germany is in good shape financially and it would be relativly easy to just pay for a lot of infrastrucuture. That is partly happening, but obviously there are also labour, material and time problems making this take years to finish.
Then there is a massive problem with consumption. Wages have not kept up with inflation, while there are worker shortages. Welcome to a perfectly working labour market. Anyway that obviously means less consumption in Germany, which hurts the economy.
However there is no reason that some good governance could not solve it and it is a fossil fuel crisis, which destroys industries based on processes we do not want to use due to climate change. It could be an extremly healthy crisis if managed well.
Not to mention the rising right wing anti-immigration rhetoric which doesn’t make it easier to find workers elsewhere.
How so?
Two parts really. First of all Germany is using guranteed prices for renewables, but the plant operators still have to sell it on the electricity exchange. So when there is renewable elecricity the prices fall a lot. To still create a fair price the cost for those feed in tariffs obviously cost money, which was added on the electricity price of households and small companies.
The other one is lowering grid operating costs for large consumers to below market value. Those costs again needed to be paid, so they were added to households and small companies.
That ended up with half the cost of German household electricity being taxes and other payments to the government. That massivly delayed heat pump installations and electric car sales in Germany, as they were not able to compete as well with gas heating or combustion engines.
not to forget that we have a lot of industry in the south but the wealthy southern NIMBYs fought against renewables and transmission lines, so the renewable energy in the north was virtually sold to the south but couldnt get there so they had to run the fossil plants there. This “system service” was then paid for by the people in the north. So instead of using clean energy cheaply the people had to pay extra for shutting down plants in the north and run dirty ones in the south.
Of course creating two market zones as called for by experts was fought teeth and nails by the southern states. German federalism with the superiority complex and robbery attitude from Bavaria and Baden-Wurttenberg is a bane on the countries development.
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Nuclear power plants last 40 years or so, before they need a large scale refurbishment or be replaced. All but the last three plants were roughly at that age and even the last three were 35 years old at the time they were shut down. If you want to see why, just look at the issues France has with its aging nuclear power plants in the last couple years.
The decision to close them was purely political as an overreaction to Fukushima.
Yes and no. The og plan was made before Merkel. Merkel slowed the trasition down. But suddently Fukushima hit and the anti nuclear greens had good chances in the upcoming state election. So she closed the powerplans in hope to win an election but the plan was to shut them down anyway but now with less renewables than there should be.
Most nuclear plants operate in a perpetual state of "well we could shut it down with this plan here but we might as well pay more to keep it running since it’s already there. "
They’re like NASA projects: the project timeline is projected to underdeliver because the worst part about these projects is the initial approval and construction cost: once it gets approved, it’s more economical to keep it running than to shut it down and find an alternative.
the running costs also exceed the costs of renewables as the waste issue remains unadressed.
Oh I must have forgotten that storage is free. Silly me.
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Any source for this?
Because the only viable long term storage project i am aware of is in Finland and the facility is magnitudes larger than a football field. And that is just for storing the waste of one country with a very small population.
Also while we talk hundreds of thousands of years for the highly radioactive waste, the medium and low radioactive waste is still a concern for longer times e.g. hundreds of years to a few thousand years. You realize that just 200 years ago the horse was the hottest shit in terms of transportation?
But to get back to your football field analogy. Even if the numbers add up right now, i calculated with the 250.000 tonnes HLW from 2010 and the analogy fits the measurements of our HLW containers, the amount would become much larger with expanding the use of nuclear power. And that is ignoring that the whole thing would melt down and probably explode because you cannot put the containers so close to each other. That is why they have to put each container into its own tomb and nicely space it out. So the facilities will be gigantic, very expensive and again not resolving the issue of the other 97% of waste that you also need to put somewhere.
But how about this? We just put all the nuclear waste into your country, seal off all rivers and aquifiers and put a large concrete wall to keep all people and wildlife in. Then if in 500 years everything is aokay with the waste and your storage facilities did not deteriorate, you can get out again. In the meantime we pay you in food and materials for your service to mankind. Sounds good? If not, then why dont you want to take the waste you just explained to not be an issue at all?
It’s not that idiotic when you consider that they still look for an adequate place to store nuclear waste. It’s been over 30 years now.
How come that other countries manage to find places to store the spent fuel?
There is 1 country that’s it
Eh, what? There are many countries with nuclear power plants. It seems like only in Germany it was an unsolvable problem.
And where do these country store their spend fuel? Oh right they haven’t figured it out
There are hundreds of nuclear plants operating all over the world. Looks like they figured out a solution.
Hmm is there an overview of countries and their radioactive waste sites?
Tell me pls
operating plants is not the same as storing waste.
That you digest food doesnt mean you figured out where to shit.