Seriously, what the fuck? The US has had an incredibly weak position on this ordeal that’s entirely unexpected from such a close ally and feels far more like something coming out of Germany or France - aligned by being part of the West but not in terms of actual interests. This is what the US has said publicly:
“They are certainly serious allegations, and we believe in order to determine how credible they are, there needs to be a thorough investigation. Prime Minister Trudeau has called for that, and so we’ll see how Canada moves forward on this. It’s certainly well within their capacity to do this, and we urge India as well to participate and cooperate in that investigation. It is important to find out exactly what happened.”
I’m sorry, but what the fuck? We’re talking about a country violating our territorial integrity to commit an assassination in a dense and developed suburb of one of our largest urban centers. This investigation has been going on for months.
Our allies are leaving us out to dry solely because, despite our history of being their steadfast ally, we don’t provide them as much utility as this shiny new country that wasn’t relevant until it suddenly was because the Soviet Union collapsed, they pulled out of the Middle East, and they declared China to be the new big bad.
to be fair, “doing shit” really means “doing shit that benefits people without much power and influence”, so, there’s basically no incentive other than “because it’s the right and just thing to do” which has never been the M.O. , despite everything people have been taught in the movies you make.
I believe you are replying to somebody from the US. Khashoggi was not killed on US soil though.
India is accused of killing a Canadian on Canadian soil. That is pretty bad. It puts them in a pretty small club of state actors. The obvious peer is Russia.
Well, I wasn’t the OP, but having a president basically say, “Yeah, a foreign government murdered and dismembered one of our citizens, but do you realize how much money they spend here?” hasn’t really left my consciousness.
We’re talking about a country violating our territorial integrity to commit an assassination in a dense and developed suburb of one of our largest urban centers.
Exactly the reason it would be in poor taste for the USA to make a big stink about it. They do this all the fucking time! We need a more credible ally.
I’m guessing there’s a fair bit of behind-scenes stuff going on between Canada and allied countries, including how this evidence was gathered and provided in the first place.
Let Modi and his supporters bury themselves in lies and bullshit while they organize the evidence then drop it on him like a fucking mountain, hopefully.
I think it came from treaties under which we have obligations to share our signals intelligence with other foreign states. They didn’t have a choice but to share the intelligence with us. It wasn’t a favour.
Watch as Canada’s so-called allies do jack shit because relations with India, a rising power they can use to futilely attempt to encircle China, are clearly more important than relations with a close ally that’s fought for them, lost domestic industries for them, soured international relations for them, and has been their largest trading partner for decades.
Seriously, what the fuck? The US has had an incredibly weak position on this ordeal that’s entirely unexpected from such a close ally and feels far more like something coming out of Germany or France - aligned by being part of the West but not in terms of actual interests. This is what the US has said publicly:
“They are certainly serious allegations, and we believe in order to determine how credible they are, there needs to be a thorough investigation. Prime Minister Trudeau has called for that, and so we’ll see how Canada moves forward on this. It’s certainly well within their capacity to do this, and we urge India as well to participate and cooperate in that investigation. It is important to find out exactly what happened.”
I’m sorry, but what the fuck? We’re talking about a country violating our territorial integrity to commit an assassination in a dense and developed suburb of one of our largest urban centers. This investigation has been going on for months.
Our allies are leaving us out to dry solely because, despite our history of being their steadfast ally, we don’t provide them as much utility as this shiny new country that wasn’t relevant until it suddenly was because the Soviet Union collapsed, they pulled out of the Middle East, and they declared China to be the new big bad.
We didn’t do shit when our own citizen was butchered on the order of a foreign head of state.
Didn’t do shit when a foreign head of state effectively ordered his “bodyguards” to attack American citizens who were protesting on American soil.
We’re barely doing shit about the currently growing coup.
to be fair, “doing shit” really means “doing shit that benefits people without much power and influence”, so, there’s basically no incentive other than “because it’s the right and just thing to do” which has never been the M.O. , despite everything people have been taught in the movies you make.
Khashoggi isn’t Canadian, though. Plus, US-Canada relations are, I’d imagine, a bit tighter than US-Saudi relations… I’d hope, at least.
He was American. And I was using our American “lack of doing shit” examples. Re: allies
He wasn’t killed on American soil.
Didn’t say he was. Nor should it matter.
I believe you are replying to somebody from the US. Khashoggi was not killed on US soil though.
India is accused of killing a Canadian on Canadian soil. That is pretty bad. It puts them in a pretty small club of state actors. The obvious peer is Russia.
When did Russia do the same?
World moves fast. Can you remind me what happened?
Khashoggi.
Oh of course. Got confused by who you were referring to as “we”.
Well, I wasn’t the OP, but having a president basically say, “Yeah, a foreign government murdered and dismembered one of our citizens, but do you realize how much money they spend here?” hasn’t really left my consciousness.
Exactly the reason it would be in poor taste for the USA to make a big stink about it. They do this all the fucking time! We need a more credible ally.
Haha ok fair
What exactly do we expect them to do, bomb India?
I’m guessing there’s a fair bit of behind-scenes stuff going on between Canada and allied countries, including how this evidence was gathered and provided in the first place.
To openly condemn an assassination of a Canadian citizen on Canadian soil?
Let Modi and his supporters bury themselves in lies and bullshit while they organize the evidence then drop it on him like a fucking mountain, hopefully.
I dunno, sanctions? There are a lot of things that can be done in the vast gulf that exists between doing nothing and bombing another country.
I’m all for that but those things generally don’t happen overnight
The US hasn’t even made an indication that they disapprove of India’s actions. There’s no pretext for sanctions.
Where do you think the signals intelligence came from? I guess helping prove the crime isn’t enough for you?
I think it came from treaties under which we have obligations to share our signals intelligence with other foreign states. They didn’t have a choice but to share the intelligence with us. It wasn’t a favour.
Ah yes, providing sources and then saying “aight that’s all, don’t let anyone know it’s us because we sure as hell don’t want this linked back to us”
A true ally.