“Most people” recognize life without parole as cruel punishment and don’t want it. Let alone for kids. Of Western European countries only the Netherlands and UK have life without parole sentences. Canada also, for the most part, does not have it.
Prison should be equally punitive and rehabilitive. Child rapists and murderers getting things like internet access, movie nights, and field trips in Scandinavia seems like just as much as an injustice to me as kids getting 20 years for selling a plant in the US.
If you’re sixteen and decide to rape and murder a child (or anyone for that matter) I think you should still get life. You took a life and destroyed an entire family, why should you ever get a clean slate when your victims never can.
In reality I think they should just send them off to a firing squad. There are some people who just aren’t meant to exist in civilized society. Blame their upbringing, blame whatever you want, the point stands.
I didn’t say that… I’m saying if you rape and murder someone you don’t deserve a chance to evolve into a better person. You’ve taken away another person’s chance to do anything ever. There are some things that can’t be forgiven.
Why the fuck would you assume I’m retarded just because I think people shouldn’t get to TAKE A LIFE and get theirs back?
If anything the “christian” thing to do here would be forgiveness… I’m talking about NOT forgiving. Or is your default just to assume people you disagree with are christo-fascists or christians.
The biggest problem with our justice system is wrongful convictions, so I don’t support the death penalty, but if we’re speaking purely controlled hypotheticals here, and we KNOW they did it—fuck them.
In cases where someone takes a life with malicious intent, I don’t care how old they are, they deserve to live the rest their life in a cage or strapped to a chair. Cruelty to the cruel is justice just as intolerance to the intolerant is progress.
If you don’t believe in rehabilitation, the only reason prisons have to exist is punishment, and punishment for punishment sake is sadistic indulgence, not justice.
Raping and murdering someone is sadistic indulgence… punishing them for it is at least retribution if you want to argue that it’s not justice. Which I still think is a weak argument.
Their victim and their family can’t ever be made whole, so I can’t see how letting the perpetrator off could ever be justice.
I believe in rehabilitation for all but (intentional) murderers. Our prison systems are a massive problem if their purpose is for corrections like their name implies because right now, yes, they’re for punishment and often through slave labor. American prisons as they exist are sadistic indulgence, but for those who kill without remorse, I can’t think of a better fate.
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“Most people” recognize life without parole as cruel punishment and don’t want it. Let alone for kids. Of Western European countries only the Netherlands and UK have life without parole sentences. Canada also, for the most part, does not have it.
the thing is, in countries where they treat their inmates like human beings, have the lowest levels of recividism. Just look at scandinavia.
It’s not me you need to convince ;)
Prison should be equally punitive and rehabilitive. Child rapists and murderers getting things like internet access, movie nights, and field trips in Scandinavia seems like just as much as an injustice to me as kids getting 20 years for selling a plant in the US.
The Netherlands does not have life without parole. Everyone gets a chance of parole after 25 years. See https://www.om.nl/documenten/vragen-en-antwoorden/wat-is-levenslange-gevangenisstraf (in Dutch)
Thanks, my information was incorrect. Then it leaves only the UK as the sole western European country with life without parole.
If you’re sixteen and decide to rape and murder a child (or anyone for that matter) I think you should still get life. You took a life and destroyed an entire family, why should you ever get a clean slate when your victims never can.
In reality I think they should just send them off to a firing squad. There are some people who just aren’t meant to exist in civilized society. Blame their upbringing, blame whatever you want, the point stands.
You seriously think someone who’s brain won’t be fully developed for another TEN YEARS, can’t possibly evolve into a better person?
I didn’t say that… I’m saying if you rape and murder someone you don’t deserve a chance to evolve into a better person. You’ve taken away another person’s chance to do anything ever. There are some things that can’t be forgiven.
Let me guess, Christian?
Why the fuck would you assume I’m retarded just because I think people shouldn’t get to TAKE A LIFE and get theirs back?
If anything the “christian” thing to do here would be forgiveness… I’m talking about NOT forgiving. Or is your default just to assume people you disagree with are christo-fascists or christians.
The biggest problem with our justice system is wrongful convictions, so I don’t support the death penalty, but if we’re speaking purely controlled hypotheticals here, and we KNOW they did it—fuck them.
I agree despite your downvotes. Prisons are for rehabilitation and punishment IMO.
In cases where someone takes a life with malicious intent, I don’t care how old they are, they deserve to live the rest their life in a cage or strapped to a chair. Cruelty to the cruel is justice just as intolerance to the intolerant is progress.
If you don’t believe in rehabilitation, the only reason prisons have to exist is punishment, and punishment for punishment sake is sadistic indulgence, not justice.
Raping and murdering someone is sadistic indulgence… punishing them for it is at least retribution if you want to argue that it’s not justice. Which I still think is a weak argument.
Their victim and their family can’t ever be made whole, so I can’t see how letting the perpetrator off could ever be justice.
I believe in rehabilitation for all but (intentional) murderers. Our prison systems are a massive problem if their purpose is for corrections like their name implies because right now, yes, they’re for punishment and often through slave labor. American prisons as they exist are sadistic indulgence, but for those who kill without remorse, I can’t think of a better fate.