German network operators have requested the national regulator Bundesnetzagentur to start procedures to exclude Router Freedom from fiber networks. In a co...
don’t like them. the two i ever used had regular crashes and wifi-outages. not to mention the laughable range. i’m cool with people using them, i would just never buy one.
If you want or need that, you shouldn’t be looking at consumer products. I can configure wifi, ethernet and guest wlan and an additional set of public ipv4s , which is more than enough for end users. Anything more and it becomes too hard to manage and understand, and results in insecure setups. I built infrastructure for a living and I find Fritzes more than good enough for residential connections and they work extremely well, 7581 excepted, those were godawful crap.
You should definitely not go along with that fiber exception, I have a gigabit fiber connection where I can hook up basically anything that adheres to standards and regulations, and my ISP has been a strong proponent of that too.
What’s your point exactly? Besides telling me I shouldn’t use AVM hardware?
I’m not using AVM products, as they don’t fit my requirements (e.g. network segregation). Ubiquiti makes decent prosumer hardware with their Unifi line and I’m quite happy with their offerings.
An AVM user asked for potential use cases that FritzBoxes aren’t covering and I provided one.
Excuse me but this a load of. Range is just fine, as is speed -unless you’re using a 7581 vDSL model, those were crash-prone and wifi broke often. I have and had several models and that was the only one ever causing trouble. And port forwarding is still there,at least on a 7990 with the latest firmware update.
No that’s because vodafone puts their own firmware version on it with limited settings.
If you get the same fritzbox with the default firmware from AVM then you have port forwarding.
You said “range is much lower than it should be”, I’ve never heard that before, except - again - only for the 7581. Fritzes are generally tested as medium to good range, and very stable, so it is not just me. Are you maybe using APs with excessive transmit power settings or something similar?
Using APs with excessive transmit power does not really extend range. The client radio can only respond with such a signal.
I use APs with proper MIMO and proper beam forming. Doing so allows for less time slicing between clients and allows for greater distance and speed per client. Take a look at the RUCKUS R560 or it’s more advanced siblings if you are interested. Even ubiquity equipment like the U6 has a proper MIMO implementation that Fritz does not.
If people are happy with Fritz that is ok. But it’s lower range, with lower capacity, and with fewer features than many people would like. We should not be limited to consumer level Fritz products on fiber.
don’t like them. the two i ever used had regular crashes and wifi-outages. not to mention the laughable range. i’m cool with people using them, i would just never buy one.
100% this. People are ok with them because it’s all they know. Once you use higher quality networking equipment it’s painful to go back.
As a genuinly curious Fritz-user: such as?
network segregation. setting up vnets and rulesets for guests, iot or dmz and deploy them site-wide to all switches.
If you want or need that, you shouldn’t be looking at consumer products. I can configure wifi, ethernet and guest wlan and an additional set of public ipv4s , which is more than enough for end users. Anything more and it becomes too hard to manage and understand, and results in insecure setups. I built infrastructure for a living and I find Fritzes more than good enough for residential connections and they work extremely well, 7581 excepted, those were godawful crap.
We just don’t want to be limited to fritz. You might be ok with the limited options but many are not. We should not allow the fiber exception here.
You should definitely not go along with that fiber exception, I have a gigabit fiber connection where I can hook up basically anything that adheres to standards and regulations, and my ISP has been a strong proponent of that too.
What’s your point exactly? Besides telling me I shouldn’t use AVM hardware?
I’m not using AVM products, as they don’t fit my requirements (e.g. network segregation). Ubiquiti makes decent prosumer hardware with their Unifi line and I’m quite happy with their offerings.
An AVM user asked for potential use cases that FritzBoxes aren’t covering and I provided one.
Your range is much lower than it should be.
If multiple people use the Wi-Fi at the same time the speed is lower than it should be compared to taking your total speed and dividing by users.
You are missing access to some settings that you should have access to. On newer Fritzboxes you can’t even set port forwarding at all.
Excuse me but this a load of. Range is just fine, as is speed -unless you’re using a 7581 vDSL model, those were crash-prone and wifi broke often. I have and had several models and that was the only one ever causing trouble. And port forwarding is still there,at least on a 7990 with the latest firmware update.
If you are happy with the range stick with it. 🤷♀️
As for port forwarding it was not an option with the fritzbox provided by vodaphone to me. Maybe because it was DS-Lite stack only.
No that’s because vodafone puts their own firmware version on it with limited settings. If you get the same fritzbox with the default firmware from AVM then you have port forwarding.
I had a router from 1&1 where they locked down the firmware to exclude many settings. Might be a similar case with Vodafone.
You said “range is much lower than it should be”, I’ve never heard that before, except - again - only for the 7581. Fritzes are generally tested as medium to good range, and very stable, so it is not just me. Are you maybe using APs with excessive transmit power settings or something similar?
Using APs with excessive transmit power does not really extend range. The client radio can only respond with such a signal.
I use APs with proper MIMO and proper beam forming. Doing so allows for less time slicing between clients and allows for greater distance and speed per client. Take a look at the RUCKUS R560 or it’s more advanced siblings if you are interested. Even ubiquity equipment like the U6 has a proper MIMO implementation that Fritz does not.
If people are happy with Fritz that is ok. But it’s lower range, with lower capacity, and with fewer features than many people would like. We should not be limited to consumer level Fritz products on fiber.