Writing out a person’s full name/tag every time you reference them is not practical (see my previous comment), so one wouldn’t give this as reason against third person references in a serious discussion.
If the genesis of the entire issue with chosen pronouns is about basic respect, personal convinience can take a back seat and we can adress a person by name.
But then again, I’m often viewed as petty in my personal peeves.
Better to just not talk about someone and instead just talk with the person.
Really think hard about what you are saying. Next time you have a conversation, try mentioning no one else except the person you are talking to and yourself.
It’s been probably very clear by this point that English is not my native language but I can, with a degree of effort, have a conversation about a third person by naming said individual and use “person”, “individual” and other similar terms to refer to the absent third party without need to resort to pronouns.
It takes some effort, the end result is a bit terse in english, but I can make it work.
But, to repeat myself, better to not talk about someone else but instead talk with said person.
Pronouns are there to make conversation easier and more straight forward. You can avoid using them, it’s just uselessly silly to do so.
It’s normal to refer to someone else during conversation, even essential. Why should we be avoiding this behavior as to eliminate pronouns in our speech? Whats the reasoning? Pronouns are a completely normal and essential part of our language, I’m having trouble understanding why you want to cleave the pool of potential conversation subjects to avoid them?
I’m talking about qyron right now, qyron won’t supply us with qyrons chosen pronoun and now I have to say qyron every damn time instead of a nice short common pronoun.
Qyron is making things unnecessarily difficult and shitty. Don’t be like qyron.
Ahh yes of course I can’t believe I didn’t think of that! If I knew their pronoun preference I could almost attribute that to their registered gender, and that almost lowers my possible targets down to a mere 4,000,000,000.
I have to add this here because you just wrote a gold opportunity for me to mock myself. Can we have signatures in Lemmy? I would make the following as mine. Perhaps a little reviewed for shorter form.
Here is qyron, the most obnoxious example of a person you can find, to the point where making anything and everything harder than necessary becomes a self defining characteristic.
This is an individual that takes pride and pleasure of torturing others just to make a moot point on any front.
Don’t be like this personality. Nobody deserves to be like so.
Reminds me of a woman i know. She That woman could totally have written this. Basically, our conversation after months is still me trying to learn her that womans language. :-D
That is odd. I usually prefer when people talk with me instead of about me.
No one’s talking about you
I’m sorry, I don’t understand what you mean in relation to what I said.
Were talking pronouns as part of the sign up process.
@[email protected] says that @[email protected] would rather like to be tagged and be part of the conversation, instead of having people talk behind @[email protected]’s back.
It’s likely meant to be seen as a witty remark, and not a statement. :)
Why is being witty the default stance, instead of an honest statement?
Because what you said doesn’t make any sense if you were being serious.
Writing out a person’s full name/tag every time you reference them is not practical (see my previous comment), so one wouldn’t give this as reason against third person references in a serious discussion.
So it’s easier to say thoim/shlu instead of ekky?
If the genesis of the entire issue with chosen pronouns is about basic respect, personal convinience can take a back seat and we can adress a person by name.
But then again, I’m often viewed as petty in my personal peeves.
Better to just not talk about someone and instead just talk with the person.
Really think hard about what you are saying. Next time you have a conversation, try mentioning no one else except the person you are talking to and yourself.
Oh, don’t temp me.
It’s been probably very clear by this point that English is not my native language but I can, with a degree of effort, have a conversation about a third person by naming said individual and use “person”, “individual” and other similar terms to refer to the absent third party without need to resort to pronouns.
It takes some effort, the end result is a bit terse in english, but I can make it work.
But, to repeat myself, better to not talk about someone else but instead talk with said person.
Petty. But so satisfying.
Pronouns are there to make conversation easier and more straight forward. You can avoid using them, it’s just uselessly silly to do so.
It’s normal to refer to someone else during conversation, even essential. Why should we be avoiding this behavior as to eliminate pronouns in our speech? Whats the reasoning? Pronouns are a completely normal and essential part of our language, I’m having trouble understanding why you want to cleave the pool of potential conversation subjects to avoid them?
Id rather you just stop talking altogether
Sorry if you didn’t want to know, but: you can’t get rich that way.
Don’t be sorry but I still don’t want to be talked about.
I’m talking about qyron right now, qyron won’t supply us with qyrons chosen pronoun and now I have to say qyron every damn time instead of a nice short common pronoun.
Qyron is making things unnecessarily difficult and shitty. Don’t be like qyron.
Many people don’t wish to be doxxed online. Nobody needs to share something private.
Ahh yes of course I can’t believe I didn’t think of that! If I knew their pronoun preference I could almost attribute that to their registered gender, and that almost lowers my possible targets down to a mere 4,000,000,000.
Phew that is some easy doxxin’
Yes! Now you get!
I have to add this here because you just wrote a gold opportunity for me to mock myself. Can we have signatures in Lemmy? I would make the following as mine. Perhaps a little reviewed for shorter form.
Here is qyron, the most obnoxious example of a person you can find, to the point where making anything and everything harder than necessary becomes a self defining characteristic.
This is an individual that takes pride and pleasure of torturing others just to make a moot point on any front.
Don’t be like this personality. Nobody deserves to be like so.
Reminds me of a woman i know.
SheThat woman could totally have written this. Basically, our conversation after months is still me trying to learnherthat womans language. :-DSounds like a front for disliking trans people
Every person on the face of this planet deserves to be happy. Besides that, nothing to add.
Whatever you say.
You made a remark, I gave a clarification.
If it is not to your liking, tough.