lol. Babyboomers and Gen X invented and built the internet. We programmed VCR’s and could navigate dial-up settings for v90modems. Maybe write a guide for gen Z, as anything more complex than a swipe is too much technology for them XD
This is so true, computer skills are in mass decline teachers are getting kids with no wxperience at all they just use tablets and phones. I had 3 kids in one of my college computer engineering classes who only used tablets. I have no idea how that even worked.
I feel there’s more nuance to this and this is an inaccurate and disingenuous generalisation.
A very small portion of baby boomers and gen x were involved in this compared to the masses who simply exist as sheep.
The “enlightened” ones are a minority in every generation from what I can see.
I also feel this whole my generation > your generation is just another mechanism of segregation. Instead let us bring forth our collective knowledge of setting VCR times and laugh about getting to the last floppy/stiffy disk in a set and finding corruption because… magnets.
Yeah I dont understand why the whole generational thing has become so heated. People like to cheer for their own team I guess. If we all stopped arguing about who has better technical skills/life skills and focused on the deeply manipulative class warfare being waged on us by corrupt and powerful entities we might all have a comfortable enough life to not have to argue about who has more technical/life skills.
Some of us VCR clock-setters are on Lemmy already due to the combination of us loving playing with tech and the attitude of “fuck you I won’t do what you tell me”. I’ve seen the fall of the original BBSs, Prodigy, Compuserve, AOL, Geocities, MySpace, Yahoo, Digg, Facebook, and here I sit watching Reddit’s behavior with a bag of popcorn. If they don’t backpedal, they’ll get their IPO, Spez will get his money, and the shell of what Reddit was will continue to exist like MySpace and Facebook. It will strive to stay relevant while slowly becoming more and more irrelevant over time as the newcomer gains steam. Will Lemmy be that newcomer taking over? I’m not sure but it sure is fun to watch the world burn sometimes.
Hell, I know a couple of guys, a boomer alcoholic and a zoomer that ages backwards, that work at a VCR repair shop, one of the three remaining in the United States. Although I don’t know how good are they at actually fixing VCRs, all I see is them scamming some elderly person off of his life savings while all he wants is to watch a Night Court video cassette.
It really is just Gen Z. Millenials were programming shit and bashing everything together with hardware and software adaptors as kids. Gen Z grew up in the world of the slick interface that just works.
This misconception comes from the fact that gen X were basically the first crowd to be the bulk of the Internets at the dawn of it, and all of them were technically proficient enough to do it, so there is a bias: you had to know something about computers to be on the internet. Nowadays you don’t need to know anything, the barrier is virtually non-existent and basically anyone can do internets with their phone and some “app” without knowing anything at all about how it works or how to setup a connection or even type an address.
Most of us were and are pretty dumb when it comes to technology or even problem solving, nothing changed in that regard.
Like, whichever Windows got rid of the start menu (8?) largely made me realize that I was barely using my start menu anyway and mostly would click it, go to programs, and then type the name of what I wanted.
I switched to 8 effortlessly, because ever since Vista I’ve been typing in first couple of letters of a program instead of looking it up in a structure of installed applications, so nothing changed for me: something like press Win, type “visual” and press enter.
We tend to not “build” things because… repairing your TV is more effort than it is worth.
Not all the time, some stuff is still built fixable and some disassembly, diagnostic, and some soldering if any at all, and then reassembly is all it takes to make thing work again. Some failed contact, some blown capacitor, those are easily fixable, but we lot don’t even try to look inside.
Same with cars where the vast majority of maintenance is either less needed (because of better tolerances on hoses and the like) or is just swapping out parts rather than hammering your radiator pump until it fits.
But a bunch of stuff is made that way you can’t reasonably fix it if it breaks. Static kills the mainboard of your TV? You are stuck without another mainboard (finding a new TV CPU and resoldering BGA is out of my scope). Car manufacturers stopped making small parts and started providing large chunks. Oh, something wrong with a bearing in your RWD joint? Well, order a whole RWD module for $1000, who would want to change a bearing? Ugh.
I think there are two reasons behind all that: malicious planned obsolescence and less blatantly malicious trying to reduce costs by manufacturing bulk parts (like using an IC controller instead of a bunch of transistors and caps on a board) or molding plastic cases that are quickly and cheaply snapped together instead of screwing them.
But some stuff shouldn’t be thrown in trash as soon as it stops working. Reawaken your dormant childish curiosity by disassembling it like you did with your toys, and try to diagnose the fault, you may end up fixing it.
I don’t want to go backwards. As much time as I spent doing stuff the hard way I like that windows downloads all the codecs and drivers for me. I like that I can just swipe. But there is an inherent difference in people who have computers between the generations. It may also be because more people have computers and tech savvy people make less of that pie chart anymore. But one anecdote is Excel. I have yet to meet anyone my age who doesn’t know the basics of Excel up to creating macros and charts. They may lack the institutional knowledge to create useful data but we simply grew up with it as the spreadsheet app to do anything more complicated than a calculator or list. We won’t admit it in regards to work though because we all hate it with a passion rivaling the fires of hell and we know if anyone knew, we’d be assigned to the excel stuff before we left that room. Likewise many of us kept mum about tech support / IT stuff or purposely stopped staying up on it for the same reason. In the 2000’s it was really easy to get shoved into that role without any extra pay.
At the end of the day I’m sure it’s a gestalt of all of these factors along with tech becoming so mainstream. but in years past you didn’t get to just play music on your phone. You had to buy the MP3 player, find music files, convert them, and manage the playlist on your computer with the really crappy program. Many people just stuck with CD’s until ipods hit. So yeah at a certain level we are comparing people willing to overcome tech barriers to people who didn’t have to.
Ouch! That’s a good one. But as bad as you think Vista was, it was still a GUI. I will admit though that anyone who suffered through Vista probably learned at least a bit.
Boomers and certainly gen X/older milenials are probably more into tinkering and getting it working…it guides for zoomers with their point and click tablet/ipad interface or SaaS that need guides.
As a youth of the late 80s I know bbs, forums, etc
I would not include boomers but I get what your saying. Gen z isn’t a monolith though and neither is Gen x. Some people are techies and won’t have a problem figuring out the fediverse. Non techie “normies” will probably get confused and write it off unless it becomes more accessible. Good thing apps are coming!
Boomer here. I’m enjoying having to figure out how the Fediverse works, it’s refreshing. It’s the difference between putting a ready meal in the microwave, and cooking a delicious casserole from scratch. Yes it takes longer and you might have to look stuff up, but it’s totally worth it. (My first computer was extra fancy, it had two floppy disk drives, so you could save a file without having to take the program disk out. Also the screen was amber, not green. So cool.)
True that, but hey I actually think that boomers et all, (we all do sometimes) kind of pulled up the ladder on that skill set if you know what I mean, like I watched so much stuff change in a negative way in my generation, decisions made by people over 30, who did it just as a money grab or in order to prevent people from becoming “competent” or “capable” at stuff.
I’m talking about everything from removable batteries to built in batteries, exposed screws on frames to plastic caps, CPU going from LGA sockets to ball grid array, supergluing plastic clips for DC power supplies, lots of little things have been done to essentially prevent people from being able to do their jobs or even fix their own things properly.
I’m an honest believer that sometimes in order to go two step forwards you may need to take one step back, because moving forwards sometimes naturally involves looking at how you would make things more approachable for the next generation, and a lot of people have purposefully done the exact opposite in order to assert dominance or simply contain others, and have inadvertently handicapped not only their own offspring, but every single person further down the line, due to their shortsightedness.
Just look at the way Japan’s appliance engineers have normalized planned obsolescence of “hard to recycle” stuff, and the resulting mountain of e-waste that China, the Philippines and now the rest of the world now has to deal with.
Sorry for the long rant. Japans big conglomerates have done a shit job engineering stuff, and would make for better artists than engineers, and America being one of the largest consumer markets for many of their end products has enabled this crap.
Bro get people from reddit to use Lemmy. Create guides for boomers so that they know how to register and navigate lemmy
lol. Babyboomers and Gen X invented and built the internet. We programmed VCR’s and could navigate dial-up settings for v90modems. Maybe write a guide for gen Z, as anything more complex than a swipe is too much technology for them XD
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This is so true, computer skills are in mass decline teachers are getting kids with no wxperience at all they just use tablets and phones. I had 3 kids in one of my college computer engineering classes who only used tablets. I have no idea how that even worked.
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I feel there’s more nuance to this and this is an inaccurate and disingenuous generalisation.
A very small portion of baby boomers and gen x were involved in this compared to the masses who simply exist as sheep.
The “enlightened” ones are a minority in every generation from what I can see.
I also feel this whole my generation > your generation is just another mechanism of segregation. Instead let us bring forth our collective knowledge of setting VCR times and laugh about getting to the last floppy/stiffy disk in a set and finding corruption because… magnets.
Yeah I dont understand why the whole generational thing has become so heated. People like to cheer for their own team I guess. If we all stopped arguing about who has better technical skills/life skills and focused on the deeply manipulative class warfare being waged on us by corrupt and powerful entities we might all have a comfortable enough life to not have to argue about who has more technical/life skills.
Heck, genXers are the only generation who can set the clock on a VCR. A skill now lost to time and technology.
Some of us VCR clock-setters are on Lemmy already due to the combination of us loving playing with tech and the attitude of “fuck you I won’t do what you tell me”. I’ve seen the fall of the original BBSs, Prodigy, Compuserve, AOL, Geocities, MySpace, Yahoo, Digg, Facebook, and here I sit watching Reddit’s behavior with a bag of popcorn. If they don’t backpedal, they’ll get their IPO, Spez will get his money, and the shell of what Reddit was will continue to exist like MySpace and Facebook. It will strive to stay relevant while slowly becoming more and more irrelevant over time as the newcomer gains steam. Will Lemmy be that newcomer taking over? I’m not sure but it sure is fun to watch the world burn sometimes.
Hell, I know a couple of guys, a boomer alcoholic and a zoomer that ages backwards, that work at a VCR repair shop, one of the three remaining in the United States. Although I don’t know how good are they at actually fixing VCRs, all I see is them scamming some elderly person off of his life savings while all he wants is to watch a Night Court video cassette.
Hey now! They’re probably also watching Alf
It really is just Gen Z. Millenials were programming shit and bashing everything together with hardware and software adaptors as kids. Gen Z grew up in the world of the slick interface that just works.
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This misconception comes from the fact that gen X were basically the first crowd to be the bulk of the Internets at the dawn of it, and all of them were technically proficient enough to do it, so there is a bias: you had to know something about computers to be on the internet. Nowadays you don’t need to know anything, the barrier is virtually non-existent and basically anyone can do internets with their phone and some “app” without knowing anything at all about how it works or how to setup a connection or even type an address.
Most of us were and are pretty dumb when it comes to technology or even problem solving, nothing changed in that regard.
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I switched to 8 effortlessly, because ever since Vista I’ve been typing in first couple of letters of a program instead of looking it up in a structure of installed applications, so nothing changed for me: something like press Win, type “visual” and press enter.
Not all the time, some stuff is still built fixable and some disassembly, diagnostic, and some soldering if any at all, and then reassembly is all it takes to make thing work again. Some failed contact, some blown capacitor, those are easily fixable, but we lot don’t even try to look inside.
But a bunch of stuff is made that way you can’t reasonably fix it if it breaks. Static kills the mainboard of your TV? You are stuck without another mainboard (finding a new TV CPU and resoldering BGA is out of my scope). Car manufacturers stopped making small parts and started providing large chunks. Oh, something wrong with a bearing in your RWD joint? Well, order a whole RWD module for $1000, who would want to change a bearing? Ugh.
I think there are two reasons behind all that: malicious planned obsolescence and less blatantly malicious trying to reduce costs by manufacturing bulk parts (like using an IC controller instead of a bunch of transistors and caps on a board) or molding plastic cases that are quickly and cheaply snapped together instead of screwing them.
But some stuff shouldn’t be thrown in trash as soon as it stops working. Reawaken your dormant childish curiosity by disassembling it like you did with your toys, and try to diagnose the fault, you may end up fixing it.
I don’t want to go backwards. As much time as I spent doing stuff the hard way I like that windows downloads all the codecs and drivers for me. I like that I can just swipe. But there is an inherent difference in people who have computers between the generations. It may also be because more people have computers and tech savvy people make less of that pie chart anymore. But one anecdote is Excel. I have yet to meet anyone my age who doesn’t know the basics of Excel up to creating macros and charts. They may lack the institutional knowledge to create useful data but we simply grew up with it as the spreadsheet app to do anything more complicated than a calculator or list. We won’t admit it in regards to work though because we all hate it with a passion rivaling the fires of hell and we know if anyone knew, we’d be assigned to the excel stuff before we left that room. Likewise many of us kept mum about tech support / IT stuff or purposely stopped staying up on it for the same reason. In the 2000’s it was really easy to get shoved into that role without any extra pay.
At the end of the day I’m sure it’s a gestalt of all of these factors along with tech becoming so mainstream. but in years past you didn’t get to just play music on your phone. You had to buy the MP3 player, find music files, convert them, and manage the playlist on your computer with the really crappy program. Many people just stuck with CD’s until ipods hit. So yeah at a certain level we are comparing people willing to overcome tech barriers to people who didn’t have to.
No, we grew up on Vista and 8.
Ouch! That’s a good one. But as bad as you think Vista was, it was still a GUI. I will admit though that anyone who suffered through Vista probably learned at least a bit.
But can they churn butter
Lol you assume all boomers invented and built the internet ? Wait till you meet my uncle.
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Lemmy works on mobile devices.
Boomers and certainly gen X/older milenials are probably more into tinkering and getting it working…it guides for zoomers with their point and click tablet/ipad interface or SaaS that need guides.
As a youth of the late 80s I know bbs, forums, etc
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I would not include boomers but I get what your saying. Gen z isn’t a monolith though and neither is Gen x. Some people are techies and won’t have a problem figuring out the fediverse. Non techie “normies” will probably get confused and write it off unless it becomes more accessible. Good thing apps are coming!
Boomer here. I’m enjoying having to figure out how the Fediverse works, it’s refreshing. It’s the difference between putting a ready meal in the microwave, and cooking a delicious casserole from scratch. Yes it takes longer and you might have to look stuff up, but it’s totally worth it. (My first computer was extra fancy, it had two floppy disk drives, so you could save a file without having to take the program disk out. Also the screen was amber, not green. So cool.)
Normie millennial here, can’t wait for an app!
True that, but hey I actually think that boomers et all, (we all do sometimes) kind of pulled up the ladder on that skill set if you know what I mean, like I watched so much stuff change in a negative way in my generation, decisions made by people over 30, who did it just as a money grab or in order to prevent people from becoming “competent” or “capable” at stuff.
I’m talking about everything from removable batteries to built in batteries, exposed screws on frames to plastic caps, CPU going from LGA sockets to ball grid array, supergluing plastic clips for DC power supplies, lots of little things have been done to essentially prevent people from being able to do their jobs or even fix their own things properly.
I’m an honest believer that sometimes in order to go two step forwards you may need to take one step back, because moving forwards sometimes naturally involves looking at how you would make things more approachable for the next generation, and a lot of people have purposefully done the exact opposite in order to assert dominance or simply contain others, and have inadvertently handicapped not only their own offspring, but every single person further down the line, due to their shortsightedness.
Just look at the way Japan’s appliance engineers have normalized planned obsolescence of “hard to recycle” stuff, and the resulting mountain of e-waste that China, the Philippines and now the rest of the world now has to deal with.
Sorry for the long rant. Japans big conglomerates have done a shit job engineering stuff, and would make for better artists than engineers, and America being one of the largest consumer markets for many of their end products has enabled this crap.
Just my two cents.
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This!