Former President Donald Trump has lost the first of several attempts to throw out a lawsuit that seeks to block him from the 2024 presidential ballot in Colorado, based on the 14th Amendment’s prohibition against insurrectionists holding public office.

Colorado District Judge Sarah Wallace this week rejected Trump’s bid to get the lawsuit dismissed on free-speech grounds.

The former president still has several pending challenges against the case, which was initiated by a liberal government watchdog group.

  • @shalafi
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    -309 months ago

    Don’t see how this stands as he hasn’t been convicted of anything (yet!).

    • @[email protected]
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      309 months ago

      The 14th Amendment doesn’t require a conviction, and innocent until proven guilty doesn’t apply because this is a civil suit.

      I’ll be surprised if this doesn’t go all the way to SCOTUS though.

      • FuglyDuck
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        79 months ago

        … and innocent until proven guilty…

        Just for further clarification… it’s not a factual innocence. In reality the line is ‘a presumption of innocence until proven guilty’- it’s a prescription for how one is to be treated (like an innocent person) during the process of proving that guilt in a criminal proceeding.

        If one kills another without just cause, they are guilty of murder. It may or may not ever reach a court of law, and they may be acquitted, but they’re still guilty of murder. guilt is determined by the act (and the motive of the act,)

        • Nougat
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          49 months ago

          To follow your apt points: it is important to remember that “not guilty” and “innocent” are two different things.

    • @takeda
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      119 months ago

      That’s not how 14 amendment supposed to work. It doesn’t put him to jail, it just makes him ineligible to run for position in the government. There is a gateway for senate to override it and let the affected person to run.

      Of course SCOTUS can change this and interpret it the way you are saying for partisan reasons, but there’s nothing implying that one has to be convicted of anything, only involved.

      • FuglyDuck
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        59 months ago

        Of course SCOTUS can change this and interpret it the way you are saying for partisan reasons, but there’s nothing implying that one has to be convicted of anything, only involved.

        Not really. the 14th is pretty explicit: if you participate in an insurrection, having taken an oath to defend this country, you are ineligible to hold further office in this country.

        While I agree, it should be settled a court so due process is respected (also part of the 14th, incidentally,) … I’m perfectly okay with that process happening in a civilian court. as it’s happening in coloroado’s lawsuit, for example.

    • @Dkarma
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      109 months ago

      I mean, there’s video.