“He and his family deserved better,” the Innocence Project of Florida said in a statement. “Lenny’s life mattered.”
Cure’s quest to rebuild his life after being wrongfully convicted in 2003 ended tragically on the shoulder of Interstate 95 in South Georgia on Monday morning.
On Wednesday, the Camden County, Georgia, sheriff’s office released body-worn and dash camera videos of the moments leading up to the shooting.
In the dash cam video, the deputy begins pursuing Cure with his sirens on after Cure’s vehicle passes his. The pursuit lasts about one minute and 20 seconds.
Honestly, I understand why he shot. The cop came in a bit hot at first but he didn’t immediately use a gun. It only came to that after Lenny started winning the brawl and after attempting to use a Taser instead.
He even started to apply first aid afterwards. So I think the cop did okay here.
Nah fuck that. It was verbal until the cop tased him, then its not exactly shocking that it causes him to react. The cop was screaming the whole time, no de-escalation at all. Just get him to the side of the road, safe and talk while waiting for backup. It’s just more evidence of undertrained US cops. There was no reason for this man to die.
Absolutely!! Backup took 4 minutes. Leonard just wanted to know why he was getting arrested instead of just getting a ticket. He obviously hated cops, but he was perfectly willing to talk before he was tazed.
The CNN video is very deceptively edited. The full clip shows way more combativeness and non-compliance from Cure.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tGNIAozOIok
I didn’t watch the CNN video, I watched the one you linked. Yes, he was being an asshole, but he wasn’t threatening. His hands were still on the truck. The officer tazered him because he wouldn’t put his hands behind his back, right? He had already called for backup, though, right? All he had to do was continue to let Leonard argue with him until cover arrived. Backup didn’t arrive “too late,” the officer escalated the situation “too early.” It was literally only a couple of minutes into the stop. Some de-escalation on the officers part and the story would have been different.
I think that’s a reasonable take. It still could have been prevented by Cure simply complying with the orders- the court is the proper place to fight that- and I think the officer was well justified in attempting to arrest, but he should have only used the taser and escalated once backup arrived or he was forced to. I agree that was probably a mistake, but at the same time, with a person that combative and non-compliant, it’s difficult to say for certain.
The previous time he complied with orders from cops, he wrongfully lost 16 years of his life behind bars, ruining all future prospects. I 1000% understand why he would be asking a lot of questions with his first interaction with cops after years of abuse in a completrly for-profit system that rewards abusers.
We have no idea if he complied before. Given the fact that his sentence was only so long due to a previous record, it seems more likely that not complying was his usual stance. I don’t know this for sure, obviously, but it does seem more likely.The previous statement is misinformation, I believe. One of the attorneys in the exoneration said that he complied with the original arrest and thought he’d be able to simply explain that he wasn’t the robber, which obviously did not go in his favor. While it definitely helps explain his actions, I still do not believe assaulting an officer is the right path to take, though I do understand it better now.But there’s such a vast gulf between “complying” and “attempting to kill (or at least cause serious bodily harm to) an officer” that I have a hard time finding the officer at fault here. Why did he flee? Why did he refuse lawful commands? Why did he give his name as “Yahweh” as far as I can hear? Why did he attempt to assault the officer after being tased? What was he planning to do to the officer had he not fired, as the repeated “Yeah bitch” suggested very violent intent to me. These are all valid questions that I hope we get answers to, but it’s unlikely that we will. All any of us can do is watch the video- which is the most direct evidence of the truth- and form our opinions based on that.
“Why did he flee?” Because he had been wrongfully accused and sent to prison for 16 years before, obviously! “Why did he refuse lawful commands?” Because those enforcing it are lawless and wrongfully sent him to prison for 16 years. “Why did he attempt to assault the officer after being tazed?” Are you being serious right now? Have you ever been tazed before? It’s an awful experience and does awful things to your heart, especially in the moment and especially to someone who is older. He obviously must have held a grudge after 16 years in prison and might even have promised himself to not go down without a fight next time, or maybe loose the rest of his lofe in prison. Guess he “just” ended up losing the rest of his life period.
Maybe try to live a little more empathetically and learn to try and put yourself in others’ situation, given what they’ve been through. This is an obvious egregious case and awful that it had ended like this. Not sure if you’re aware of how corrupt the federal government are in the US and about their internal gangs and racism towards non-caucasians.
Even on that video, the cop sucked the entire time (due to the lack of good training). You are alone on a busy highway, the last thing you want to do is start a fight, you don’t even want to be on the shoulder like that, it’s far too dangerous. No matter how you wanna show this, the guy should never have been put in a position to be shot.
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You have the order incorrect. The cop started the brawl by Tasing.
The article says Cure was going at 100 MPH for 80 seconds after the officer put on his lights. Cure pulled over in the end, but that doesn’t mean it’s not a chase, which is why the cop ordered him out so quickly. 100 MPH is already more than just a speeding ticket, that’s reckless endangerment. In general, 15 MPH above the speed limit is considered reckless. Add that to the chase, and that’s why Cure was under arrest rather than just a ticket. I agree with you, the cop did nothing wrong here. He gave lawful orders, escalated force reasonably, attempted both his taser and his baton before firing as a last resort when he began to lose the fight and his own life became threatened, and administered first aid immediately.
I’ve been pulled over for going faster than 100mph. 103 to be exact. Didn’t get arrested. It’s 100% at the officer’s discretion.
A couple of years ago, I was listening to music in earbuds and didn’t notice cop tucked in behind me for a couple of miles, while doing 126 on a motorcycle with some of the baffles removed. Because I’m of the Eddie Haskell phenotype, I only got dinged for 85 and the cop even stuck around for a few minutes to chat about the bike.
One of the reasons I’m solidly ACAB is that I almost never get popped for tickets, and when I do, they’re always knocked down by the cop to de minimis charges. Of the tens of times I’ve been stopped since the late-‘70s, I’ve eaten maybe six total tickets. Cops aren’t fair.
Yeah, I got dropped from 103 in a 70 to 79. Cop asked me why I was speeding, and I truthfully told him that it was a beautiful day, had good tunes going, and was just in a great mood and didn’t realize I was going that fast. He was a marked state trooper that was driving with traffic and I blew right past him.
I rarely get tickets because I have veteran plates and a veteran drivers license, most cops just give me a warning. Got stopped three times in one day trying to get out of Texas, all warnings. Last cop of the day gave me a weather forecast. I guarantee if I wasn’t a white dude with vet affiliations I would get way more tickets. Cops aren’t fair.
Funny, I’ve only been pulled over once on my bike, and I was just keeping up with traffic, which was going 80 to be fair… But he claimed I was going 97, so I had to go to court, where he lied his ass off to the judge, and I had to eat a $400 ticket plus whatever it did to my insurance… and I’m very white too, if I wasn’t, who knows what that piece of shit might have done.
How long did it take you to pull over after you got lit up?
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Pretty sure it took him a couple minutes to catch up to me, so I don’t know of you’d consider that a chase or not.
Did you also flee, though? That’s the other thing. He kept driving for well over a minute before finally pulling over. That was the reason for the arrest, and then when he resisted arrest, only then did the officer escalate.
No it’s not. Here’s the proof.
You technically correct which is the best kind of correct, it’s not automatic. There is evidence to suggest that in general the 30 mph over the limit would have resulted in a reckless driving arrest.
Either way whether it would have been has nothing to do with how the situation played out.
Do you have a link to that evidence? I’d be interested in seeing it.
Here’s the legal precedent. Travis v, State
There’s anecdotal evidence as well.
https://getjerry.com/questions/how-fast-is-considered-reckless-driving-in-technically
https://www.reddit.com/r/legaladvice/comments/qap7u1/got_2_traffic_tickets_speeding_and_reckless/
https://www.reddit.com/r/legaladvice/comments/9egs7j/ga_speeding_and_reckless_driving/
There’s also evidence that they don’t always determine reckless driving at high speeds, especially when targeting for that en masse it seems.
https://www.wsaz.com/2023/06/14/dozens-drivers-were-caught-going-over-100-mph-georgia-interstate-police-say/?outputType=amp
It’s really officer discretion based on the wording of their reckless driving law. Either way, as I said, whether it would have been or not doesn’t matter in regards to how this stop played out.
That doesn’t prove that it isn’t considered reckless driving. Excessive speeding is reckless driving. They haven’t put an exact number to it and the statute is vague but this lawyers page tries listing some examples.
The link I provided is clear … if on an interstate highway he’d had to have been going 35 mph over the speed limit for charges to be applied. He was going 30 mph over so he should have been issued a $500 ticket and a court date (as further fines could be assessed by a judge).
The cop murdered him with exactly zero cause. A classic #ACAB.
If 85mph counts as a super speeder, how do you think they view going 100mph? Also your link does say:
It’s not like not doing more than 34mph over exempts you from reckless driving when doing 100mph. No where does it say you have to be doing 35mph over for that.
Yes it does … here.
Quote the part that says that for me. I’m not finding it.
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He literally had his hands around the police officers neck.
After the cop escalated shit way beyond what it needed to be.
The fuck a traffic stop for a speeding ticket should become a cop murdering yet another Black man.
Maybe black guys shouldn’t be out there acting like violent thwacked out psychopaths?
He also fled and resisted arrest. Both arrestable offenses. If he would have promptly pulled over, it would almost certainly have been a citation at worst. He fled at 100 MPH for over a minute before finally pulling over. Also, how is an officer being choked out on the side of the highway defending himself with a taser, then a baton (while actively being strangled and bent nearly backwards), and only THEN a gun, “zero cause”?
A whole minute?? Wow! That like OJ’s high speed chase.
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Any fleeing is still fleeing. I don’t understand why you think this was an unjustified shooting. He was putting every other driver at risk, refused lawful orders, and threatened the officer’s life while saying “Yeah bitch, yeah bitch.” Not exactly a paragon of humanity here.
No one in their right mind believes that anyone who is being pulled over for speeding deserves to die because the cop is a murdering sob.
If you believe that, fine. We’re done here.
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