your third link references multiple sources that may be reputable but I don’t believe that you have actually read that page or you understand any of those references. if you have and you can explain how they are relevant in any way to this discussion I’d love to hear it.
You asked me for evidence. I provided it. And yes, I read it. If you have an issue with a specific study, please explain why. Otherwise, you’re just doubling down on that head in the sand thing, as I predicted.
I would love to have a serious discussion, if you opt to do so.
I’ve already explained my problem with the methodology. That’s where we started this whole conversation. everyone of those studies attributes to livestock some environmental impact that is actually attributed to some other sector or aspect of the agriculture sector. when we give livestock crop seconds or silage or let them graze on otherwise unusable ground, we are conserving resources.
I did read it and, like thousands of others who have reviewed them, I agree with the methodology. I like you, who read an op ed from a beef industry insider and cling to it like religion because you don’t want to stop eating Big Macs.
there are literally thousands of pages in the reports you just linked if you can’t show which one you think supports your case I’m not going to be doing all the reading for
Good. You’ll have plenty of reading to keep you busy. I’m still waiting for your sources where you refute Nemecek btw. To summarize, your arguments so far are the widely debunked “land for cattle feed can’t be used for human food or forests” and “Nemecek is inaccurate because I disagree with their math, despite the article being cited and confirmed by hundreds of other studies.”
poor nemechek is easy to refute. read it they attribute the water used to raise cotton for the textile industry as water used to produce beef. the methodology is fucked.
Tell me you didn’t read the study without telling me you didn’t read the study. This is hilarious and you can’t find one legitimate article backing you up
the article has been cited but it has never been confirmed. it can’t be because it makes no sense to attribute the weight from pressing soybeans for oil to the livestock industry when the livestock industry is only using the waste.
The second fluff piece you’ve linked seems to hinge entirely on Xu 2021, but that study itself depends on poor nemechek 2018 with which I take umbrage. their methodology is flawed.
I presented multiple articles lol. You’re a fuckin joke. You have no evidence backing your claim and I gave multiple articles that link to even more peer reviewed studies. Your comeback is that you don’t like the methodology of one such study, without explaining yourself. The conversation is over lol.
Have some sources that you won’t read:
https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/eating-less-red-meat-is-something-individuals-can-do-to-help-the-climate-crisis/
https://amp.theguardian.com/environment/2021/sep/13/meat-greenhouses-gases-food-production-study
https://sentientmedia.org/why-is-eating-meat-bad-for-the-environment/
https://www.nytimes.com/2019/10/01/upshot/beef-health-climate-impact.html
In you defense, I was wrong earlier. I vastly underestimated the amount of deforestation attributed to animal ag
your third link references multiple sources that may be reputable but I don’t believe that you have actually read that page or you understand any of those references. if you have and you can explain how they are relevant in any way to this discussion I’d love to hear it.
You asked me for evidence. I provided it. And yes, I read it. If you have an issue with a specific study, please explain why. Otherwise, you’re just doubling down on that head in the sand thing, as I predicted.
I would love to have a serious discussion, if you opt to do so.
I’ve already explained my problem with the methodology. That’s where we started this whole conversation. everyone of those studies attributes to livestock some environmental impact that is actually attributed to some other sector or aspect of the agriculture sector. when we give livestock crop seconds or silage or let them graze on otherwise unusable ground, we are conserving resources.
TIL deforestation is just clearing unusable ground. Keep it up, this is hilarious.
that isn’t what I said
No, you made an absurd claim with 0 sources. I made many claims with multiple sources. Facts don’t care about your feelings.
characterizing my claims as absurd is poisoning the well.
Every claim without evidence is absurd.
I don’t need any sources beyond the ones that I’m refuting. you can read their methodology and see that they’re flawed.
I did read it and, like thousands of others who have reviewed them, I agree with the methodology. I like you, who read an op ed from a beef industry insider and cling to it like religion because you don’t want to stop eating Big Macs.
arguing with a strawman
I don’t believe you can explain how any of this relates to what we’ve been discussing. I think that you just pulled six links off of Google.
your first source flat-out contradicts the UN numbers I provided to you.
but they don’t show where they got their study.
https://www.un.org/en/climatechange/reports
there are literally thousands of pages in the reports you just linked if you can’t show which one you think supports your case I’m not going to be doing all the reading for
Good. You’ll have plenty of reading to keep you busy. I’m still waiting for your sources where you refute Nemecek btw. To summarize, your arguments so far are the widely debunked “land for cattle feed can’t be used for human food or forests” and “Nemecek is inaccurate because I disagree with their math, despite the article being cited and confirmed by hundreds of other studies.”
poor nemechek is easy to refute. read it they attribute the water used to raise cotton for the textile industry as water used to produce beef. the methodology is fucked.
Tell me you didn’t read the study without telling me you didn’t read the study. This is hilarious and you can’t find one legitimate article backing you up
poore nemecek supports what I’m saying.
Really? Can’t find a single source?
the article has been cited but it has never been confirmed. it can’t be because it makes no sense to attribute the weight from pressing soybeans for oil to the livestock industry when the livestock industry is only using the waste.
Waiting for your evidence lol
80% of deforestation is for cattle feed. They don’t use waste
you’re just lying now. we know that cattle are fed silage which is waste and crop seconds.
Talk about lies. How’s that one source coming along?
The second fluff piece you’ve linked seems to hinge entirely on Xu 2021, but that study itself depends on poor nemechek 2018 with which I take umbrage. their methodology is flawed.
your fourth link is paywalled. if you’ve read it surely you can provide a summary or a capture.
Sorry, against the rules to copy and paste articles. Use your own tools, bud.
if you can’t present your own evidence, I’m not going to go looking for it for you.
I presented multiple articles lol. You’re a fuckin joke. You have no evidence backing your claim and I gave multiple articles that link to even more peer reviewed studies. Your comeback is that you don’t like the methodology of one such study, without explaining yourself. The conversation is over lol.
I explained my objection to the methodology in my first comment in this thread.
You didn’t lol
I encourage you to go back and start reading.
Same.
I don’t need evidence. your evidence is insufficient.