Highlights: Joe Biden and top aides have discussed the likelihood that Benjamin Netanyahu’s political days are numbered — and the president has conveyed that sentiment to the Israeli prime minister in a recent conversation.

Biden has gone so far as to suggest to Netanyahu that he should think about lessons he would share with his eventual successor, the two administration officials added.

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      -211 year ago

      Just bc it’s your OPINION it isn’t a legal basis of fact. Has Israel’s policy skirted it in aspects? Clearly, but War against terrorists is not genocide by definition even with civilian casualties.

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          Genocide requires an intent to destroy an ethnic group. The article does not make a good case for this, eg citing comments by Biden and von der Leyen that were clearly directed at Hamas, not Palestinians in general.

          That’s not to say that Israel is doing the right thing. I don’t they are. We are certainly seeing the horror of a botched war. I’m not so certain we are seeing genocide.

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            FTA:

            “It’s not only Israel’s leaders who are using such language. An interviewee on the pro-Netanyahu Channel 14 called for Israel to “turn Gaza to Dresden.” Channel 12, Israel’s most-watched news station, published a report about left-leaning Israelis calling to “dance on what used to be Gaza.” Meanwhile, genocidal verbs—calls to “erase” and “flatten” Gaza—have become omnipresent on Israeli social media. In Tel Aviv, a banner reading “Zero Gazans” was seen hanging from a bridge.”

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              Ok, but you can see similar public sentiment in any war. In fact, the general public in states neighboring Israel sometimes use similar language about erasing Israel.

              Widespread expressions of hatred towards an enemy and wishing to see them suffer is as old as war itself. It is not the same as actually committing genocide. At a minimum, genocide requires an actual plan.

              Is the Israeli leadership actually planning to “erase” Gazans, or just Hamas? I don’t know yet. But the former is definitely not the goal of Biden or der Leyden, and Israeli leadership has definitely been made aware of that.

              • @IchNichtenLichten
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                I get the feeling there’s not much that will convince you. Could you tell me what would be an unequivocal example of what a genocide would look like to you in this instance?

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                  If leaders announce (or secretly devise) a plan to resettle Palestinians, kill all Palestinians and/or ethnically cleanse Gaza.

                  • @IchNichtenLichten
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                    So nothing less than Bibi saying, “I’m gonna do some genocide” would convince you.

      • TinyPizza
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        I mean, it’s the opinion of a well respected (Israeli) historian whose focus is history’s largest genocide. Does his opinion not merit your consideration? Who would you have to hear define this as a genocide to begin considering it as such?