The problem is its not worth the fight. Its an issue that’s for sure pushed by fossil fuel industry because how many people you will piss off. It’s devastating but if you want action on this you need to actually ignore it for now and instead get golfers to see it themselves in other ways. Its a good game and its most peoples thing they do to fuck off from lifes bullshit. Coming at people and saying you’ll take that away is something fossil fuel industry would love for people to do
This meme is just discussing how wasteful golfing is. No one here is forming a secret plot to do away with all the golf courses, like. Golfing is one of the many ways in which the 1% disproportionately destruct the planet. I think bringing attention to that is important.
I doubt it’s as harmful as you think. Maybe in desert areas. I don’t golf, but I know people from every economic group who love the game. Definitely not just a rich person’s sport.
Ah so we want all the negative sentiment for saying we want to end golf but none of the positive effects of doing so? Fantastic plan!
I guess at best it might help push some courses into adopting ecologically sustainable management practices just to attract the green minded player.
It think it’s more likely to foster resentment and distrust ‘give the greens an inch and before you know it they’ll have it’s all locked in shoe boxes eating bugs’ mentally that is so hard to fight against.
please enumerate the pro’s from golf. The harms are manifold - everything from profligate water waste, terrible issues w/ fertilizer runoff, enormous amounts of land that could be used for housing, promoting a historically racist and classist sport, the harms are obvious and many. What pro’s do you have that outweigh any of these cons?
Audubon International estimates that the average American course uses 312,000 gallons per day. In a place like Palm Springs, where 57 golf courses challenge the desert, each course eats up a million gallons a day. That is, each course each day in Palm Springs consumes as much water as an American family of four uses in four years.
don’t merely consider the water used - think about the power used to pump it, the power used to filter it, in the millions of gallons per day, and justify this shit.
It think it’s more likely to foster resentment and distrust ‘give the greens an inch and before you know it they’ll have it’s all locked in shoe boxes eating bugs’ mentally that is so hard to fight against.
a very active imagination you have going there. you were going to list the positive effects, go on.
This record-setting total includes 25.6 million people who played on a golf course and another 15.5 million who participated exclusively in off-course golf activities at places like driving ranges, indoor golf simulators, or golf entertainment venues like Topgolf and Drive Shack.
So only about 8%… or 12%, if you include those who participate in “off-course golf activities” alone.
Those numbers seem off. Everybody in my entire life I’m probably 1/2 of the people I’ve met are golfers. Every city IVs lived has been able to support multiple golf courses.
Your anecdotal evidence says a lot more about the kind of people you surround yourself with than anything else. 60% of people in the US are still living paycheck to paycheck; many don’t have the time or the money for even the cheaper entry fees, especially when you consider having to buy/rent clubs.
Plus… why would an organization like the NGF downplay the number of golfers when their goal is literally to research and promote golfing?
Why is everybody here behaving like a bunch of cunty redditors.
All I’ve said is I know a lot of golfers and every city I’ve lived supported multiple courses. And that some battles aren’t worth fighting. One guy called me racist.
The problem is its not worth the fight. Its an issue that’s for sure pushed by fossil fuel industry because how many people you will piss off. It’s devastating but if you want action on this you need to actually ignore it for now and instead get golfers to see it themselves in other ways. Its a good game and its most peoples thing they do to fuck off from lifes bullshit. Coming at people and saying you’ll take that away is something fossil fuel industry would love for people to do
This meme is just discussing how wasteful golfing is. No one here is forming a secret plot to do away with all the golf courses, like. Golfing is one of the many ways in which the 1% disproportionately destruct the planet. I think bringing attention to that is important.
I doubt it’s as harmful as you think. Maybe in desert areas. I don’t golf, but I know people from every economic group who love the game. Definitely not just a rich person’s sport.
They wanted to buldoze a rare ecological area in my province to create one because it would crate about a dozen jobs and the area was “barren”.
And yes it is a rich person’s game. How many kids from disadvantaged neighbourhoods do you hear making the PGA?
Every youth sport costs a lot to participate in, and kids from disadvantaged neighborhoods rarely make it in any professional sport.
Ah so we want all the negative sentiment for saying we want to end golf but none of the positive effects of doing so? Fantastic plan!
I guess at best it might help push some courses into adopting ecologically sustainable management practices just to attract the green minded player.
It think it’s more likely to foster resentment and distrust ‘give the greens an inch and before you know it they’ll have it’s all locked in shoe boxes eating bugs’ mentally that is so hard to fight against.
please enumerate the pro’s from golf. The harms are manifold - everything from profligate water waste, terrible issues w/ fertilizer runoff, enormous amounts of land that could be used for housing, promoting a historically racist and classist sport, the harms are obvious and many. What pro’s do you have that outweigh any of these cons?
The U.S. Geological Survey’s most recent water use data for Utah shows the state uses about 38 million gallons of water on golf courses per day. https://www.deseret.com/2022/3/22/22988989/an-illogical-oasis-golf-course-water-usage-st-george-golf
Audubon International estimates that the average American course uses 312,000 gallons per day. In a place like Palm Springs, where 57 golf courses challenge the desert, each course eats up a million gallons a day. That is, each course each day in Palm Springs consumes as much water as an American family of four uses in four years.
https://www.npr.org/2008/06/11/91363837/water-thirsty-golf-courses-need-to-go-green
don’t merely consider the water used - think about the power used to pump it, the power used to filter it, in the millions of gallons per day, and justify this shit.
a very active imagination you have going there. you were going to list the positive effects, go on.
No… not most.
According to the National Golf Foundation, 41.1 million Americans played golf – BOTH on-course and off-course – in 2022.
So only about 8%… or 12%, if you include those who participate in “off-course golf activities” alone.
Those numbers seem off. Everybody in my entire life I’m probably 1/2 of the people I’ve met are golfers. Every city IVs lived has been able to support multiple golf courses.
Your anecdotal evidence says a lot more about the kind of people you surround yourself with than anything else. 60% of people in the US are still living paycheck to paycheck; many don’t have the time or the money for even the cheaper entry fees, especially when you consider having to buy/rent clubs.
Plus… why would an organization like the NGF downplay the number of golfers when their goal is literally to research and promote golfing?
Lol wtf they’re not all playing 100 year old country clubs. Every town has municipal owned courses and a pawn shop
For someone named touching grass you sure are completely disconnected from reality
Why is everybody here behaving like a bunch of cunty redditors.
All I’ve said is I know a lot of golfers and every city I’ve lived supported multiple courses. And that some battles aren’t worth fighting. One guy called me racist.
Username checks out.
no it’s not, objectively it’s inane, historically it’s racist and the apologetics in this thread are abjectly depressing.
Everything historical was racist. Relax
Everything?
The Underground Railroad.
Next stupid response? Don’t worry, I’m gonna block you, I won’t see it much less bother.
No need to announce this stuff. I’d prefer if you did.