Stock-market valuations, by one measure, have hit levels surpassed only a few times in the past, including the Great Depression and the dot-com bubble.
The media had their role in it too by setting a ‘tone’ for the whole thing by treating it like a joke from the start and being sure to always interview the kookiest of people whenever they’d visit one of the encampments. Alternatively, conservative outlets like Fox would paint the protestors like a bunch of entitled freeloaders who just wanted to cause problems.
Because, even though that specific photo wasn’t about rich people laughing at the protests, you damn well know they all did just that. We just don’t have pictures.
The amount of figures within OWS and BLM that died under strange circumstances is pretty not comforting knowing the organizations who do things like that have near impunity and control of information.
OWS Demonstrator, Author and powerful community force here, seems less suspicious than the others but also the person is more critical to the movement and had a sizeable reach in his capacity as an author and anthropologist.
I’d have to ignore a lot of history to consider it impossible for the same people who thought they could control minds with LSD and did put microphones inside Russian street cats to have a hand in this.
There an even older gentleman deeply affiliated with OWS who also passed but again that looks even less suspicious that David Graeber, like the scene is inherently less ‘manipulatable’ which is not to say its impossible. This is the pattern that a lot of people saw and discussed.
So 6 people in a span of 3 years in an area with a life expectancy of 56.
The two in the burned cars were the likeliest related to the protests and murdered, but it’s much more likely to be some gang bullshit and not targeted at all.
Wikipedia says this about it:
As of March 2019, Ferguson protesters have continued to receive threats to their lives or wellbeing
The articles you posted mention this
The 2010 U.S. census showed that while people who live in wealthy and mostly white western St. Louis County can expect to live well into their 80s, life expectancy in parts of mostly black north St. Louis County reaches only into the 60s. Life expectancy in Kinloch, a few miles from Ferguson, is 56.
Forty-five of the county’s 60 homicide victims last year were black in a county where less than a quarter of the population is black, according to police statistics.
I don’t think it’s any conspiracy shenanigans going on and not government members that killed them suspiciously…long after the protests were over. It looks like a horrible place to live, especially for black people without any perspective for a future.
It smells like “I want to believe”, not some deep state revenge after the fact.
It doesn’t even look like a statistical anomaly that much if you take everything into account.
I don’t want to believe it, in fact if someone where to claim ALL of these were not accidents or had something to do with their protest involvement I would wholeheartedly find that ridiculously unlikely, but I remain open to the idea that one or more could be. I remember in an auto-bio from a black panther i read he said something along the lines of him not blaming the cops for breaking up his chapter, that would be giving them too much credit. I like that, I hope they’re not some all powerful org that can just disappear who they want.
But then they do things like summary execution of a murder suspect without clearly announcing themselves, say they saw a gun flashed but they found the gun in his pocket. All because he shot (I guess technically allegedly) someone reported to be attacking protestors who happened to be part of a far right group that the police had deals with (they agreed to not execute a warrant on the groups leader). https://theguardian.com/us-news/2019/mar/01/exclusive-video-shows-portland-officers-made-deal-with-far-right-group-leader
So I fully believe that when the circumstances present themselves, sometimes, someone with the capacity to do something will take that opportunity. Didn’t initially include this case because this is something that happened during an arrest, but if this particular instance wasn’t a federal hit, nothing short of when they bombed a philly neighborhood block in 85 is. They have the means and unless we believe these federal organizations have changed without any real external pressure to do so, history says they have the will as well.
I’d have to ignore a lot of history to consider it impossible for the same people who thought they could control minds with LSD and did put microphones inside Russian street cats to have a hand in this.
How are these stupid agency projects of the past in any way related to supposed murders of rather random protestors that didnt have much influence anymore?
It just doesn’t make any sense.
The protest leaders would just vanish during the protests without a trace, and maybe come back siding the government, and not die of suicide years later when they’ve long stopped being relevant.
An average life Expectancy of 56 years is some 3rd world country in civil war numbers. Burkina Faso is at 62 years for example. Somalia at 58, Chad 55.
Occupy had no central leadership and nobody on earth seems to be able to accept orgs like that. Seems we’ve been conditioned to believe that everything must be run in a hierarchy.
The other side of that “hero” coin is whistleblowers in movies/TV who, in rl, are vilified beyond even the real criminals who tank the world’s economy selling banded, illegally-authorized mortgages as good investments.
There’s no organization that can take on the US police. They are backed up by the national guard. The national guard, historically, has demonstrated a willingness to shoot protesters.
No, you’d have one dead cop and every protestor dead or in jail. One cop dying is all they need to throw away what little restraint they might have had up to that point. They will kill the people who resist and arrest the ones who don’t. If they arrest you they’ll drag the trial out for years, by the time you get found guilty and sentenced to a year of probation you’ll have spent a decade behind bars.
The problem is that this is not a fair fight, it is a suicide mission for whoever decides to take on the police.
You’re either trolling or dillusional if you think that. We live in a police state, if you’re out in the open they will just kill you and if you take shelter they will literally lay seige to you and burn your house down.
Obama didn’t need to break the occupy wall street moment. That moment was so unorganized that it broke itself.
The media had their role in it too by setting a ‘tone’ for the whole thing by treating it like a joke from the start and being sure to always interview the kookiest of people whenever they’d visit one of the encampments. Alternatively, conservative outlets like Fox would paint the protestors like a bunch of entitled freeloaders who just wanted to cause problems.
That clip of the wall street tycoons drinking champagne and laughing at the protesters.
They weren’t Wall Street tycoons. They were just people attending a wedding.
Why does this misinformation keep spreading?
Because, even though that specific photo wasn’t about rich people laughing at the protests, you damn well know they all did just that. We just don’t have pictures.
I get the symbolism. But calling something that it isn’t is just flat out disingenuous.
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I think that’s because leftist movements with leaders get Fred Hampton’d.
The amount of figures within OWS and BLM that died under strange circumstances is pretty not comforting knowing the organizations who do things like that have near impunity and control of information.
Any sources on the many deaths under strange circumstances?
Feels like the false stories you hear about people that opened tutenchamuns grave.
6 in Ferguson, probably among the one that made more noise.
https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/puzzling-number-men-tied-ferguson-protests-have-died-n984261
OWS Demonstrator death here
https://www.dnainfo.com/new-york/20140811/upper-west-side/ows-demonstrator-found-dead-riverside-park-police-say
Another OWS demonstrator and community organizer
https://www.nydailynews.com/2021/09/23/friends-family-mourn-prominent-occupy-wall-street-protestor-and-nyc-community-organizer/
OWS Demonstrator, Author and powerful community force here, seems less suspicious than the others but also the person is more critical to the movement and had a sizeable reach in his capacity as an author and anthropologist.
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/david-graeber-dies-59-occupy-wall-street/
I’d have to ignore a lot of history to consider it impossible for the same people who thought they could control minds with LSD and did put microphones inside Russian street cats to have a hand in this.
There an even older gentleman deeply affiliated with OWS who also passed but again that looks even less suspicious that David Graeber, like the scene is inherently less ‘manipulatable’ which is not to say its impossible. This is the pattern that a lot of people saw and discussed.
So 6 people in a span of 3 years in an area with a life expectancy of 56.
The two in the burned cars were the likeliest related to the protests and murdered, but it’s much more likely to be some gang bullshit and not targeted at all.
Wikipedia says this about it:
The articles you posted mention this
I don’t think it’s any conspiracy shenanigans going on and not government members that killed them suspiciously…long after the protests were over. It looks like a horrible place to live, especially for black people without any perspective for a future.
It smells like “I want to believe”, not some deep state revenge after the fact.
It doesn’t even look like a statistical anomaly that much if you take everything into account.
Here’s a link to suicide rates in the US.
https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/data/databriefs/db464.pdf
I don’t want to believe it, in fact if someone where to claim ALL of these were not accidents or had something to do with their protest involvement I would wholeheartedly find that ridiculously unlikely, but I remain open to the idea that one or more could be. I remember in an auto-bio from a black panther i read he said something along the lines of him not blaming the cops for breaking up his chapter, that would be giving them too much credit. I like that, I hope they’re not some all powerful org that can just disappear who they want.
But then they do things like summary execution of a murder suspect without clearly announcing themselves, say they saw a gun flashed but they found the gun in his pocket. All because he shot (I guess technically allegedly) someone reported to be attacking protestors who happened to be part of a far right group that the police had deals with (they agreed to not execute a warrant on the groups leader). https://theguardian.com/us-news/2019/mar/01/exclusive-video-shows-portland-officers-made-deal-with-far-right-group-leader
So I fully believe that when the circumstances present themselves, sometimes, someone with the capacity to do something will take that opportunity. Didn’t initially include this case because this is something that happened during an arrest, but if this particular instance wasn’t a federal hit, nothing short of when they bombed a philly neighborhood block in 85 is. They have the means and unless we believe these federal organizations have changed without any real external pressure to do so, history says they have the will as well.
info about the arrest that was essentially an execution here. https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/oct/14/activist-portland-shooting-michael-reinoehl-police
Nah, you totally want to believe. You said this:
How are these stupid agency projects of the past in any way related to supposed murders of rather random protestors that didnt have much influence anymore?
It just doesn’t make any sense.
The protest leaders would just vanish during the protests without a trace, and maybe come back siding the government, and not die of suicide years later when they’ve long stopped being relevant.
An average life Expectancy of 56 years is some 3rd world country in civil war numbers. Burkina Faso is at 62 years for example. Somalia at 58, Chad 55.
Since when does not considering something impossible imply wanting to believe?
Occupy had no central leadership and nobody on earth seems to be able to accept orgs like that. Seems we’ve been conditioned to believe that everything must be run in a hierarchy.
If you were there you developed an appreciation for sanitation. I dropped off food a few times and it smelled horrific.
Some organization is a good thing.
Absolutely. Decades of “heros journey” formatted TV and movies does that.
The other side of that “hero” coin is whistleblowers in movies/TV who, in rl, are vilified beyond even the real criminals who tank the world’s economy selling banded, illegally-authorized mortgages as good investments.
Yeah, sure, that’s why they had the police beat up protesters and journalists.
You think police wouldn’t have beat them up if they were organized?
If they were organized enough you’d just have a pile of dead cops when it was over
There’s no organization that can take on the US police. They are backed up by the national guard. The national guard, historically, has demonstrated a willingness to shoot protesters.
No, you’d have one dead cop and every protestor dead or in jail. One cop dying is all they need to throw away what little restraint they might have had up to that point. They will kill the people who resist and arrest the ones who don’t. If they arrest you they’ll drag the trial out for years, by the time you get found guilty and sentenced to a year of probation you’ll have spent a decade behind bars.
The problem is that this is not a fair fight, it is a suicide mission for whoever decides to take on the police.
Nah, if it goes down like that you weren’t organized enough
You’re either trolling or dillusional if you think that. We live in a police state, if you’re out in the open they will just kill you and if you take shelter they will literally lay seige to you and burn your house down.