Sorry you’re being downvoted, I think you’re entirely correct. I hope the other people just don’t realize how jokes that are relativising transphobic experiences like that are downplaying the actual issues trans people are facing.
We can, but we have to work for it.
When any group is no longer being systemically discriminated and have equal rights, then they’re also valid comedy targets.
Like with racist jokes. They’re fine in very confined groups where everyone agrees that the absurdity of the premise is part of the joke and where nobody will be made to feel unsafe by it. But to a wider audience where people might misunderstand where the joke came from, in what spirit it was told in, it’s nok OK. Not only can it make people from the group being targeted feel unsafe, but it’ll also embolden actual racists who’ll mistake the joke as support of their beliefs.
It’s a trust thing I guess. As soon as trans people can see someone crack a joke about them online and rest assured in the fact that the person telling that joke isn’t voting for or otherwise enabling people who wants to take away their rights or straight up hurt them, then it’ll be fine.
This protection, however, should not apply to people who make it their business to hurt or oppress other people, which is why it’s always open season on nazis.
But nobody is downplaying it? Yes Trans people face a lot of issues and they really need to be supported in many ways, but I don’t think this joke insinuates any of that.
I do think that comparing a non native speaker using the wrong article with trans people having to fear for their lives sometimes is downplaying it. I don’t think that was the intent with the original comment, which is why I also don’t appreciate the other person’s snappy response. But I do believe those kinds of jokes can subconsciously make people believe things aren’t as bad as they actually are.
Second, I’m not the one to pull transphobia into the context. The joke did that on its own.
Third, I’m looking to have a civil discussion, you’re the one exaggerating things and starting drama by throwing profanities around and accusing me of virtue signalling.
The issue with not getting offended on the behalf of minorities is that nobody will listen otherwise. Which is kind of detrimental to minorities getting to live a decent and free life, as every human deserves. So, I try to do my best to be informed of marginalized groups and protect their interests. I am open to discussion and different opinions if you can show me that at least some of the affected people agree.
If you think that’s ‘causing drama’ a civil discussion won’t be possible. But don’t put the blame on me - that is entirely on you and your unwillingness to check your privilege.
I’ve never heard the term “minority-splaining”, but I assume you took inspiration from “mansplaining” or “whitesplaining”. Which, in the first place, already doesn’t make any sense, because white people/men are the privileged ones in that situation, but the minorities are obviously not privileged, and aren’t the ones doing the senseless explaining.
So if my assumption is correct, for it to be “minority-splaining”, you would need to be trans. However, I don’t see anything on your profile that makes me believe so. Thus, I am not telling someone who is affected that their opinion is invalid (which, I didn’t even tell you that your opinion was invalid). And even if you were trans, I would be open to discussion and to learn about how this is not transphobic. So no, this is not “minority-splaining”.
I am trying to use my privilige to fight against bigotry. If you can’t see that, again, that’s on you.
What is ‘projecting ones privilige’ even supposed to mean?
Feel free to respond, but I’m just gonna stop replying to you now because it really seems to me like you are just trolling at this point.
Sorry you’re being downvoted, I think you’re entirely correct. I hope the other people just don’t realize how jokes that are relativising transphobic experiences like that are downplaying the actual issues trans people are facing.
I wish we would live in a world where we could just crack jokes involving trans people like we do with everything else.
itl be definitely be nice when lgbtq doesn’t need to be a social movement, or a political opinion, just a normal thing in life.
We can, but we have to work for it. When any group is no longer being systemically discriminated and have equal rights, then they’re also valid comedy targets.
Like with racist jokes. They’re fine in very confined groups where everyone agrees that the absurdity of the premise is part of the joke and where nobody will be made to feel unsafe by it. But to a wider audience where people might misunderstand where the joke came from, in what spirit it was told in, it’s nok OK. Not only can it make people from the group being targeted feel unsafe, but it’ll also embolden actual racists who’ll mistake the joke as support of their beliefs.
It’s a trust thing I guess. As soon as trans people can see someone crack a joke about them online and rest assured in the fact that the person telling that joke isn’t voting for or otherwise enabling people who wants to take away their rights or straight up hurt them, then it’ll be fine.
This protection, however, should not apply to people who make it their business to hurt or oppress other people, which is why it’s always open season on nazis.
My thoughts exactly.
But nobody is downplaying it? Yes Trans people face a lot of issues and they really need to be supported in many ways, but I don’t think this joke insinuates any of that.
I do think that comparing a non native speaker using the wrong article with trans people having to fear for their lives sometimes is downplaying it. I don’t think that was the intent with the original comment, which is why I also don’t appreciate the other person’s snappy response. But I do believe those kinds of jokes can subconsciously make people believe things aren’t as bad as they actually are.
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First of all, pretty much anything is political.
Second, I’m not the one to pull transphobia into the context. The joke did that on its own.
Third, I’m looking to have a civil discussion, you’re the one exaggerating things and starting drama by throwing profanities around and accusing me of virtue signalling.
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Who’s the one being uncivil again?
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The issue with not getting offended on the behalf of minorities is that nobody will listen otherwise. Which is kind of detrimental to minorities getting to live a decent and free life, as every human deserves. So, I try to do my best to be informed of marginalized groups and protect their interests. I am open to discussion and different opinions if you can show me that at least some of the affected people agree.
If you think that’s ‘causing drama’ a civil discussion won’t be possible. But don’t put the blame on me - that is entirely on you and your unwillingness to check your privilege.
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I’ve never heard the term “minority-splaining”, but I assume you took inspiration from “mansplaining” or “whitesplaining”. Which, in the first place, already doesn’t make any sense, because white people/men are the privileged ones in that situation, but the minorities are obviously not privileged, and aren’t the ones doing the senseless explaining.
So if my assumption is correct, for it to be “minority-splaining”, you would need to be trans. However, I don’t see anything on your profile that makes me believe so. Thus, I am not telling someone who is affected that their opinion is invalid (which, I didn’t even tell you that your opinion was invalid). And even if you were trans, I would be open to discussion and to learn about how this is not transphobic. So no, this is not “minority-splaining”.
I am trying to use my privilige to fight against bigotry. If you can’t see that, again, that’s on you.
What is ‘projecting ones privilige’ even supposed to mean?
Feel free to respond, but I’m just gonna stop replying to you now because it really seems to me like you are just trolling at this point.
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that would be true in a world without bigotry.